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re: Super League may NOT actually be happening!
Posted on 4/19/21 at 10:12 am to I Bleed Garnet
Posted on 4/19/21 at 10:12 am to I Bleed Garnet
Kasimpasa makes the 'Super' league because Erdogan figures out he can launder the prize money to prop up the Turkish economy. Scenes when Florent Hadergjonaj scores a late winner against a Tottenham team made up exclusively of every professional player with the last name Dembele.
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Posted on 4/19/21 at 10:12 am to crazy4lsu
It was the implementation. You can't expect there to not be horrible play when you put something in place that totally changes the tactics of the game.
The Midfield play you are referring to was the expected outcome of the change, but the players hadn't grown-up playing in that manner. They overnight expected English players to play with possession when they didn't have the skill to do so.
ETA:Not to single out just the English, but it was the EPL play I was referring to. Other countries have always been more comfortable in that style and I think its directly a part of the type of soccer kids grow up playing.
The Midfield play you are referring to was the expected outcome of the change, but the players hadn't grown-up playing in that manner. They overnight expected English players to play with possession when they didn't have the skill to do so.
ETA:Not to single out just the English, but it was the EPL play I was referring to. Other countries have always been more comfortable in that style and I think its directly a part of the type of soccer kids grow up playing.
This post was edited on 4/19/21 at 10:17 am
Posted on 4/19/21 at 10:18 am to crazy4lsu
Lauren = Jessie Daniels
Posted on 4/19/21 at 10:18 am to SEC. 593
The rule was the same for everyone everywhere, and the IFAB changed it, an organization where UK representation is guaranteed. I'm skeptical they understood the impact, though some mavericks, like Mourinho, understood immediately. That the rule exposed deficiencies in the English game isn't the fault of anyone but the English. That they could never include players like Scholes and Carrick in their international set-up properly shows they had the wrong mentality. Instead, you had an awful lot of Spanish midfielders make up for the inability of English midfielders to do basic things, like make an accurate forward pass.
Posted on 4/19/21 at 10:18 am to crazy4lsu
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Oh yeah, we get to watch 5 or so teams that have been awful for either their entire history (like Tottenham) or the last decade (like Milan, Arsenal, and Man U) get the shite kicked out of them by Madrid. This is stuff you can't get anywhere else.
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we get to watch 5 or so teams that have been awful for either their entire history (like Tottenham)
Popular in the Western Hemisphere AND been pretty good the past 10 years.
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or the last decade (like Milan, Arsenal, and Man U)
United has played in the UCL Final, won the Premier League, won the UEFA Cup in the last decade and are a top 3 team in the world as far as popularity.
Arsenal & Milan are very popular too, especially in America, despite recent down times. 100 years > Last 10 years
When you remove emotion from your thoughts on the matter, this is actual genius for the clubs involved...
Bad for nostalgia but fiscally smart. Cashing in on world brands. Bayern, PSG, Dortmund, maybe a Monoco or Porto...should be attentive.
Posted on 4/19/21 at 10:19 am to S
The pyramid system is the best thing about European sports. It prevents teams from tanking. Clubs get rewarded for winning.
Posted on 4/19/21 at 10:19 am to S
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Lauren = Jessie Daniels
Fat Sunderland Andy Reid = Doug Planchard.
Posted on 4/19/21 at 10:24 am to crazy4lsu
Posted on 4/19/21 at 10:25 am to Draconian Sanctions
This is hopefully DOA. I could never have imagined this universal repudiation.
This post was edited on 4/19/21 at 10:55 am
Posted on 4/19/21 at 10:26 am to thirdlawson
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United has played in the UCL Final, won the Premier League, won the UEFA Cup in the last decade and are a top 3 team in the world as far as popularity.
The UEFA Cup doesn't exist anymore. And Man U have been pretty awful since Ferguson left. I mean, just absolute dreck.
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Arsenal & Milan are very popular too, especially in America, despite recent down times. 100 years > Last 10 years
I too love rewarding shitty owners who want the rewards of ownership without any effort or skill in recruitment of managers or players. I love paying 55 million for Fred, or 35 million for Xhaka. They should be rewarded for histories that these particular sets of owners have nothing to do with and couldn't replicate again.
Posted on 4/19/21 at 10:35 am to SEC. 593
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both are missing the point, completely.
Which is?
For the record, I don’t claim to have this figured out or even a valid opinion.
Posted on 4/19/21 at 10:36 am to crazy4lsu
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too love rewarding shitty owners who want the rewards of ownership
And this right here is American sports
Posted on 4/19/21 at 10:37 am to Draconian Sanctions
How can this be considered a "super league" if Bayern and PSG aren't involved?
I don't think they'll come around and eventually join the Super League because if there is one thing the French and Germans are known for, it's sticking together.
I don't think they'll come around and eventually join the Super League because if there is one thing the French and Germans are known for, it's sticking together.
Posted on 4/19/21 at 10:38 am to crazy4lsu
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The UEFA Cup doesn't exist anymore. And Man U have been pretty awful since Ferguson left. I mean, just absolute dreck.
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Sorry, Europa League. I'm old school.
And Sir Alex set the bar astronomically high, it was never to be duplicated.
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I too love rewarding shitty owners who want the rewards of ownership without any effort or skill in recruitment of managers or players. I love paying 55 million for Fred, or 35 million for Xhaka. They should be rewarded for histories that these particular sets of owners have nothing to do with and couldn't replicate again.
I don't necessarily disagree with you, but again...remove emotion and these are genius moves by ownership of these clubs.
Posted on 4/19/21 at 10:38 am to crazy4lsu
I feel like we're making the same point from different sides. The rule change impacted the English more because of how the game was taught***. The change was had little to no impact on other countries because they already played in that manner.
What I'm saying is that England should have been training its youth to play that way a decade before that rule changed, as they knew it was coming, but they held-off for a long time until their stubbornness made it too late.
*** IMHO it also has to do with how kids played recreationally in each country. For better or worse English kids across most of the country have access to full fields, while kids in Spain, Portugal, Netherlands, etc. played on smaller fields which helped them develop skills to play a possession game.
What I'm saying is that England should have been training its youth to play that way a decade before that rule changed, as they knew it was coming, but they held-off for a long time until their stubbornness made it too late.
*** IMHO it also has to do with how kids played recreationally in each country. For better or worse English kids across most of the country have access to full fields, while kids in Spain, Portugal, Netherlands, etc. played on smaller fields which helped them develop skills to play a possession game.
Posted on 4/19/21 at 10:43 am to thirdlawson
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I don't necessarily disagree with you, but again...remove emotion and these are genius moves by ownership of these clubs.
The world doesn't exist in a vacuum. These aren't really genius moves, to be honest, because most of these owners don't understand the nature of international club support, or fan support in Europe. They are relying on a continued pattern of growth, which isn't assured, and a continually expanding audience, which isn't assured. It's a massive risk that could even invoke EU involvement as well.
Posted on 4/19/21 at 10:49 am to SEC. 593
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*** IMHO it also has to do with how kids played recreationally in each country. For better or worse English kids across most of the country have access to full fields, while kids in Spain, Portugal, Netherlands, etc. played on smaller fields which helped them develop skills to play a possession game.
That might be true, but also the changes the FA made a decade ago is showing dividends now. They sort of copied the French model, setting up St. George's Park to mimic Clairefontaine, and the EPPP allowed the more promising players more options for training. I still can't believe they shifted Scholes to the left in 2004. They certainly had enough talent to win a trophy even with the terrible youth development, if only they could realize that Lampard and Gerrard were a terrible midfield pairing.
Posted on 4/19/21 at 11:26 am to Robin Masters
There are pros/cons on each side of the argument, but this isn't just "another tournament". It totally upends the basis that European football has been built.
Posted on 4/19/21 at 11:32 am to Robin Masters
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Yeah, every week getting to watch your team play one of the worlds biggest and best....oh no that sounds horrible!!! you’re ruining soccer by getting the best teams to play each other!!!
Most of the 12 teams in this have been pretty crappy even though they needed to good to get into champions league. Now that they don’t have to be good to get into this super league I see the level of play getting worse.
Posted on 4/19/21 at 11:37 am to thirdlawson
Just because a team is popular does not equal a team is any good
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