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re: MUST READ: Brian Straus on the USMNT's Many Issues Under Klinsmann
Posted on 3/19/13 at 8:52 pm to rdw1690
Posted on 3/19/13 at 8:52 pm to rdw1690
After reading that it never really occurred to me that the German-born Americans wouldn't play as hard for a country they didn't feel connected too and I think that's a valid point. I'm not sold on changing JK during this cycle at all. While i'm not a fan of him, changing coaches now seems like it would only be detrimental. The players have to take some of the blame for the performances also, but that being said if we don't qualify Klinsmann is long gone
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Posted on 3/19/13 at 8:54 pm to prison mike 47
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After reading that it never really occurred to me that the German-born Americans wouldn't play as hard for a country they didn't feel connected too and I think that's a valid point.
But, but, but... they all said in interviews they feel American.
Posted on 3/19/13 at 8:56 pm to RandySavage
Although, I do have a soft spot for German soccer players, the post was unbiased and factual.
This I actually have minimal objection to, but maybe qualify 'youth team' as u18 or above. I don't think it's really fair to exclude a kid who played u12 or something absurd. If there even is a u12 team, idk seems like I've seen some young arse youth national teams before
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However, I do think that a player should not be able to play on the youth team for one nation and then switch to another unless he moves to the new nation for a certain period of time of at least 2-3 years.
This I actually have minimal objection to, but maybe qualify 'youth team' as u18 or above. I don't think it's really fair to exclude a kid who played u12 or something absurd. If there even is a u12 team, idk seems like I've seen some young arse youth national teams before
Posted on 3/19/13 at 8:59 pm to RandySavage
I really do think with some players, such as Jones, they actually do feel a connection to America. However, other players, like Chandler, are really suspect. His indecision to cap-tie himself to the U.S. I think said a lot about where his allegiance lies and his play in the last qualifier certainly didn't impress
Posted on 3/19/13 at 8:59 pm to Tweezy
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This I actually have minimal objection to, but maybe qualify 'youth team' as u18 or above. I don't think it's really fair to exclude a kid who played u12 or something absurd. If there even is a u12 team, idk seems like I've seen some young arse youth national teams before
Agreed. I could get on board with something like that.
Posted on 3/19/13 at 9:00 pm to RandySavage
I just find it bar to believe these guys are going out there saying, "yeah I'll play but its not Germany so I'll give a half hearted effort." The German-Americans WANT to play international soccer or else they would have its said frick it, Germany or bust.
Posted on 3/19/13 at 9:04 pm to prison mike 47
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After reading that it never really occurred to me that the German-born Americans wouldn't play as hard for a country they didn't feel connected too and I think that's a valid point
Considering these are professional athletes playing in competitive matches, I think that's an awful point. These guys are paid to compete, they don't like losing. They wouldn't wear their bodies out with club and country fixture congestion if they didn't fricking want to play.
(Obviously friendlies aren't competitive, but who really gets their panties in a wad over someone getting lazy in a July match vs Poland in Warsaw)
Posted on 3/19/13 at 9:07 pm to Tweezy
Randy just has this insular view that someone can only have one national identity. Maybe you should meet a Mexican-American and see if he has pride in both the United States and the land of his forefathers. Maybe a son of a serviceman and a native German can feel like he has multiple cultural backgrounds. Maybe Teal Bunbury can feel more American than Canadian unlike his dad, because he grew up in America despite being born in Canada to Canadian parents.
National identity often has little to do with were you were born or lived.
The the most irritating thing about the Giuseppe Rossi saga is that he claims to feel American in every way...except for soccer. He identifies himself as American, but inconveniently not when it comes to soccer.
National identity often has little to do with were you were born or lived.
The the most irritating thing about the Giuseppe Rossi saga is that he claims to feel American in every way...except for soccer. He identifies himself as American, but inconveniently not when it comes to soccer.
Posted on 3/19/13 at 9:08 pm to Tweezy
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Considering these are professional athletes playing in competitive matches, I think that's an awful point.
I don't think it's awful. You think professionals don't loaf it sometimes? I mean several have come out at various times and admitted it, especially ones who weren't happy in their situations and I think most of these guys, if they had their way, would be playing for Germany right now.
I'm not going to accuse anyone of not caring but I certainly think it's plausible that they aren't as committed as some of their teammates and that their presence, and perceived attitudes, could cause some division in the locker room.
Posted on 3/19/13 at 9:08 pm to Tweezy
I mean i'm not saying that they don't care at all and aren't putting their bodies on the line. I just think that it's a possibility that they don't have the same mentality as say a player like Donovan or Dempsey may have. U.S. born players have been striving to play for their country all their lives. And while i'm sure the German born players have always dreamed to play internationally i'm not sure the same can be said about wanting to play for the U.S.
Posted on 3/19/13 at 9:10 pm to thenry712
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Randy just has this insular view that someone can only have one national identity.
Well I don't think it's possible to identify very strongly with a place you have never been to.
Posted on 3/19/13 at 9:13 pm to RandySavage
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Well I don't think it's possible to identify very strongly with a place you have never been to.
Well good luck telling that to every person who has ever wanted to immigrate to a new country.
Posted on 3/19/13 at 9:13 pm to RandySavage
'Mexican Americans' do a damn good job at it 
Posted on 3/19/13 at 9:14 pm to RandySavage
'Mexicans
This post was edited on 3/19/13 at 9:15 pm
Posted on 3/19/13 at 9:16 pm to prison mike 47
To be fair, Chandler's club wouldn't release him for some matches and threatened his role at the club. Nürnberg is just a habitual midtable club, they don't really have any international quality players on the team. I think he was like 21 or 22 at the time of his 'indecision' I really don't think it's fair to criticize him for that. However, now that he's cap-tied, if he ever rejected an appearance I would be very upset.
I didn't notice him being particularly lazy last game, so I don't think that's a fair criticism either. He flew in the day (I think) before and had to adjust to all the changes. Obviously that's not a pass on a poor performance, but it's not really all that surprising he played badly. Since then he's actually played very very well for Nürnberg. I think that performance was an anomaly
I didn't notice him being particularly lazy last game, so I don't think that's a fair criticism either. He flew in the day (I think) before and had to adjust to all the changes. Obviously that's not a pass on a poor performance, but it's not really all that surprising he played badly. Since then he's actually played very very well for Nürnberg. I think that performance was an anomaly
Posted on 3/19/13 at 9:23 pm to RandySavage
Maybe I'm wrong, but I dOnt think these guys get paid to play internationally. Typically a loafer is sitting on a fat contract. I get the feeling that these guys are all pretty high character and wouldn't resort to pulling these stunts. The Germans grew up watching JK, I feel like they respect him enough to play hard. All except jones were very young at the time and could've held out for a Germany call up if they didn't want to play.
I'm also under the impression that you try or you don't. That's one of the few things I see black or white. You're either in or you're out
I'm also under the impression that you try or you don't. That's one of the few things I see black or white. You're either in or you're out
Posted on 3/19/13 at 9:28 pm to Tweezy
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Maybe I'm wrong, but I dOnt think these guys get paid to play internationally.
They do. I'm not sure how much though.
Posted on 3/19/13 at 9:45 pm to mynamebowl
Cool, I think they should. I'd never heard anything about it, so I was always under the impression they didn't
Posted on 3/19/13 at 9:49 pm to Tweezy
Yeah I know they got paid pretty nicely for the 2010 world cup but i'm not sure how it works otherwise
Posted on 3/19/13 at 10:11 pm to RandySavage
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Well I don't think it's possible to identify very strongly with a place you have never been to.
Try telling that to my mom's entire family, particularly my grandpa and uncle, who, upon immediate arrival in the States for the first time in their entire lives (immigrated from Cuba 50 years ago), enlisted in the army and served in Vietnam before they even became citizens.
You are one of the most myopic individuals I have ever encountered in my life.
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