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re: MUST READ: Brian Straus on the USMNT's Many Issues Under Klinsmann
Posted on 3/20/13 at 11:20 am to WarSlamEagle
Posted on 3/20/13 at 11:20 am to WarSlamEagle
That article is like porn for the Jurgy haters.
I am down on JK and the players and our chances of qualifying.
But what in that article is "news"?
So the players, none of whom have covered themselves in glory, think JK is deficient tactically. Surprised? Maybe they should spend less time reading Lahms book and whining about the Germans and instead actually tell JK they don't know wtf to do out there.
Wouldn't bother me if they fired JK tomorrow b/c he hasn't done a great job and seems to have lost the players, but this article is a hit piece. Those players should be talking to the coach honestly about these things, not running their mouths anonymously to a reporter.
What confidence do you have in the kind of effort they are going to put forth in the upcoming games? I have less than I did before reading that article.
Also, as far as this quote:
Nobody was going to coach this mass of mediocrity playing for us right now to 1st place in qualifying over what Mexico is fielding right now.
Bob may have some better results at this point, but that's hard to say given the injuries and absences this team has dealt with since the WC cycle began. And I don't see how anyone could possibly believe that we could keep doing the same thing we did in 2010 and go farther into the World Cup than we did then. We are going to be in a more difficult group with a much better host country and with our main contributors in the twilight of their careers or not there at all.
Things have sucked in qualifying, but they were going to suck no matter who the coach was, given how the player situation shook out.
I am down on JK and the players and our chances of qualifying.
But what in that article is "news"?
So the players, none of whom have covered themselves in glory, think JK is deficient tactically. Surprised? Maybe they should spend less time reading Lahms book and whining about the Germans and instead actually tell JK they don't know wtf to do out there.
Wouldn't bother me if they fired JK tomorrow b/c he hasn't done a great job and seems to have lost the players, but this article is a hit piece. Those players should be talking to the coach honestly about these things, not running their mouths anonymously to a reporter.
What confidence do you have in the kind of effort they are going to put forth in the upcoming games? I have less than I did before reading that article.
Also, as far as this quote:
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Finishing second in qualifying, getting stuck in another group of death, and getting bounced out on our arse after the group stage in 2014, is 100% possible, and to claim otherwise is ignorance.
Nobody was going to coach this mass of mediocrity playing for us right now to 1st place in qualifying over what Mexico is fielding right now.
Bob may have some better results at this point, but that's hard to say given the injuries and absences this team has dealt with since the WC cycle began. And I don't see how anyone could possibly believe that we could keep doing the same thing we did in 2010 and go farther into the World Cup than we did then. We are going to be in a more difficult group with a much better host country and with our main contributors in the twilight of their careers or not there at all.
Things have sucked in qualifying, but they were going to suck no matter who the coach was, given how the player situation shook out.
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Posted on 3/20/13 at 12:27 pm to uway
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Maybe they should spend less time reading Lahms book and whining about the Germans and instead actually tell JK they don't know wtf to do out there.
I kind of agree. I'm not sure if they are raising these issues with Jurgy or not.
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And I don't see how anyone could possibly believe that we could keep doing the same thing we did in 2010 and go farther into the World Cup than we did then. We are going to be in a more difficult group with a much better host country and with our main contributors in the twilight of their careers or not there at all.
I disagree. I think our talent pool is better than it was in 2010, especially once Donovan comes back.
Dempsey is better, Altidore is better, Bradley is better, Jones is fit, EJ is back in form (and a significant upgrade over Findley), Cameron has emerged as a solid CB and will only improve over the next year and a half (along with Gonzalez),Parkhurst is in form, our Germericans are in the pool (Boyd, FJ, TC), Gomez is still playing well, Beasley has had a resurgence, Zusi has contributed, Gatt is a solid option, etc etc etc.
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Things have sucked in qualifying, but they were going to suck no matter who the coach was, given how the player situation shook out
No.
Posted on 3/20/13 at 12:43 pm to uway
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Things have sucked in qualifying, but they were going to suck no matter who the coach was, given how the player situation shook out
I wonder if there was a similar sentiment at Bayern Munich the year prior to making the Champions League final in 2010?
Posted on 3/20/13 at 12:47 pm to Sheep
At Bayern Munich he relied on Martin Vasquez as his right-hand man, his tactician, his Jogi Loew. That experiment failed miserably. So when JK was hired by the USMNT, naturally, he brought on Martin Vasquez to be his right-hand man, his tactician, his Jogi Loew.
Btw, I agree with Tweezy. Loew is a much more competent coach than Klinsmann but he's been getting it wrong way too much, especially lately. He hasn't been able to develop a consistent defense even though he has maybe the best pool of goalkeepers in the world and he is entirely too stubborn in his player selections. The fact that Lukas Podolski is a consistent starter at the expense of guys like Andre Schurrle and Marco Reus is laughable at best.
Btw, I agree with Tweezy. Loew is a much more competent coach than Klinsmann but he's been getting it wrong way too much, especially lately. He hasn't been able to develop a consistent defense even though he has maybe the best pool of goalkeepers in the world and he is entirely too stubborn in his player selections. The fact that Lukas Podolski is a consistent starter at the expense of guys like Andre Schurrle and Marco Reus is laughable at best.
Posted on 3/20/13 at 12:56 pm to cwil177
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Dempsey is better, Altidore is better, Bradley is better, Jones is fit, EJ is back in form (and a significant upgrade over Findley), Cameron has emerged as a solid CB and will only improve over the next year and a half (along with Gonzalez),Parkhurst is in form, our Germericans are in the pool (Boyd, FJ, TC), Gomez is still playing well, Beasley has had a resurgence, Zusi has contributed, Gatt is a solid option, etc etc etc.
But how have they done for the US? At times some of them have been good, but not in the games for which JK is drawing heat. Blame most of that on tactics if you want, but I haven't seen anything from these players to make me think we'd be breezing through qualifying with a different coach.
We weren't breezing through anything in 2011 before Bob was let go, either.
Maybe it's because three of our best four players have shitty attitudes in general.
Posted on 3/20/13 at 1:15 pm to uway
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At Bayern Munich he relied on Martin Vasquez as his right-hand man, his tactician, his Jogi Loew. That experiment failed miserably. So when JK was hired by the USMNT, naturally, he brought on Martin Vasquez to be his right-hand man, his tactician, his Jogi Loew.
This. Reading this in the article really pissed me off.
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But how have they done for the US? At times some of them have been good, but not in the games for which JK is drawing heat. Blame most of that on tactics if you want
Oh, don't worry, I do, and I will, until I see our tactics improve.
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I haven't seen anything from these players to make me think we'd be breezing through qualifying with a different coach.
No one "breezes" through qualifying. Do I think we would be doing better with BB back at the helm? Yes.
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We weren't breezing through anything in 2011 before Bob was let go, either.
Again, no one "breezes" through anything (except Spain, sometimes), but BB's tactics were more sound. Or should I say existent.
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Maybe it's because three of our best four players have shitty attitudes in general.
Um... what?
Posted on 3/20/13 at 1:25 pm to cwil177
You are going to use Mexicans as your example of people having passion for a country they have never visited? You mean the same people that come here illegally mooch off the rest of us and then show up to soccer matches with the Mexican flag and cause scenes like we saw at the Gold Cup final in 2011? Yea, those are some true blood Americans there.
Sorry I'd prefer a higher standard for someone representing the United States than to be some German rejects backup plan.
Sorry I'd prefer a higher standard for someone representing the United States than to be some German rejects backup plan.
Posted on 3/20/13 at 1:48 pm to RandySavage
A lot of Mexicans who live and work in America are actually some of the biggest US soccer fans that we have. I went to the Gold Cup in Houston when we were playing Panama and met about 30 Mexican-Americans who were beating on drums and singing songs for the U.S. throughout the entire game.
A lot of them root for the Mexican national team first before the U.S. though. However, many of the children of immigrants identify with being American and will be playing with the U.S. so you'll have to get used to seeing Hispanic last names on the back of American jerseys.
You're just being a dick for the sake of being a dick.
A lot of them root for the Mexican national team first before the U.S. though. However, many of the children of immigrants identify with being American and will be playing with the U.S. so you'll have to get used to seeing Hispanic last names on the back of American jerseys.
You're just being a dick for the sake of being a dick.
Posted on 3/20/13 at 1:52 pm to RandySavage
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Sorry I'd prefer a higher standard for someone representing the United States than to be some German rejects backup plan.
One man's trash is another man's treasure.
Posted on 3/20/13 at 2:01 pm to hendersonshands
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However, many of the children of immigrants identify with being American and will be playing with the U.S. so you'll have to get used to seeing Hispanic last names on the back of American jerseys.
Yep.
Get used to it, because some of the best players on our youth teams are...gasp...Mexican-American.
I hope that gives you nightmares.
Posted on 3/20/13 at 2:09 pm to WarSlamEagle
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Get used to it, because some of the best players on our youth teams are...gasp...Mexican-American.
Was a little funny watching our youngsters play Mexico a few weeks ago given that almost all of the US players were Hispanic. Doesn't bother me though. We are a nation of immigrants!
Also, three players with bad attitudes = Jozy, Dempsey, Donovan.
Posted on 3/20/13 at 2:30 pm to uway
There has always been players with bad attitudes and lack of leadership on the team. I've said it on here, close to, a million times.
I think that we have to look at this story and be objective. I don't think everything JK does is wrong and I don't think that players are in panic mode. I think concern is there, but concern would be there any time you lose your first WCQ.
US soccer youth academies weren't in a mess when JK took over. That, along with the JK calls up so many different people statement, is a common misconception.
As Americans, we expect the best in sports. However, in this sport, it just takes time with US Soccer. It's getting better all the time and it is growing. There is no immediate fix, in terms of talent. A coach that has a player for a week at a time isn't going to make that player better. At least Jurgen is helping our players get club time and that's a great strength for him. Like I said in the hiring thread, along with everyone else, JK is a GM/Businessman...not the best manager.
We've only played ONE WCQ game. The fact that Strauss' report made it front page ESPN has shown that the game has grown. There is a lot of qualifying left.
I think that we have to look at this story and be objective. I don't think everything JK does is wrong and I don't think that players are in panic mode. I think concern is there, but concern would be there any time you lose your first WCQ.
US soccer youth academies weren't in a mess when JK took over. That, along with the JK calls up so many different people statement, is a common misconception.
As Americans, we expect the best in sports. However, in this sport, it just takes time with US Soccer. It's getting better all the time and it is growing. There is no immediate fix, in terms of talent. A coach that has a player for a week at a time isn't going to make that player better. At least Jurgen is helping our players get club time and that's a great strength for him. Like I said in the hiring thread, along with everyone else, JK is a GM/Businessman...not the best manager.
We've only played ONE WCQ game. The fact that Strauss' report made it front page ESPN has shown that the game has grown. There is a lot of qualifying left.
This post was edited on 3/20/13 at 2:33 pm
Posted on 3/20/13 at 2:59 pm to hendersonshands
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You're just being a dick for the sake of being a dick.
What else is new? I've started to just skip over his posts. Not worth my time, really.
Posted on 3/20/13 at 3:57 pm to rdw1690
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One man's trash is another man's treasure.
Except that it's not working out so well at the moment.
Posted on 3/20/13 at 4:00 pm to cwil177
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What else is new? I've started to just skip over his posts. Not worth my time, really.
Damn what a baby. How dare someone not be crazy about the idea of people who haven't been to America representing the USA! The horror.
Posted on 3/20/13 at 4:10 pm to RandySavage
Same here cwill, randysavage's posts don't even warrant responses
Posted on 3/20/13 at 4:23 pm to 225bred
Can't wait for Giuseppe Rossi to come up on this board again.
Posted on 3/20/13 at 4:39 pm to RandySavage
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Except that it's not working out so well at the moment.
Fabian Johnson is the best left back in our pool. Jermaine Jones probably our second best central midfielder.
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Can't wait for Giuseppe Rossi to come up on this board again.
Yeah that is a complete apples to oranges comparison.
Posted on 3/20/13 at 4:58 pm to hendersonshands
Clint Dempsey named captain! Pissed its not Bradley but I'll take it over Jones
Posted on 3/20/13 at 5:03 pm to 225bred
He has only wore the armband for a half. But, he has been there longer than almost everyone. So, I don't mind it. He has put his time and effort into the USMNT. Hopefully, he shows he can be a leader on the pitch.
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