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re: MUST READ: Brian Straus on the USMNT's Many Issues Under Klinsmann
Posted on 3/21/13 at 11:15 am to etm512
Posted on 3/21/13 at 11:15 am to etm512
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consider themselves to be American
Yet grew up in another country playing in another countries youth system. Seems if you considered yourself American you would play in the American youth system, no?
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Posted on 3/21/13 at 11:26 am to RandySavage
You skipped over the part about them having an American parent.
And do you expect children to not play in the youth system that's local to them?
And do you expect children to not play in the youth system that's local to them?
Posted on 3/21/13 at 11:33 am to etm512
I guess I just don't buy into the fact that having an American parent is enough to override the fact you spent 18-20 years of your life in another country living that life and playing for that country on an international level.
Again, I'm not saying they should never be able to play for the US but they should have to move here or declare their intention to play for the US and wait a certain amount of time or something before just flying over the ocean for the first or second and putting on the red, white, and blue because they "feel American".
Again, I'm not saying they should never be able to play for the US but they should have to move here or declare their intention to play for the US and wait a certain amount of time or something before just flying over the ocean for the first or second and putting on the red, white, and blue because they "feel American".
Posted on 3/21/13 at 11:34 am to etm512
If they qualify to play for the U.S., then I don't care where they were born. International soccer is a very cosmopolitan sport, and these types of nationality distinctions happen all the time. It reflects not only the global nature of the sport, but also the fluid nature of nationality.
This post was edited on 3/21/13 at 11:42 pm
Posted on 3/21/13 at 11:38 am to crazy4lsu
Fair enough, I don't necessarily agree, but that is what I was looking for/trying to understand.
Posted on 3/21/13 at 11:45 am to RandySavage
Could you stop frickig saying that these guys never visited America before playing???? I looked it up in the post you ever so conveniently didn't read. Chandler was the only one who I couldn't find if he had been here or not, and that's bc no one asked him in an interview.
Play in their youth system? You know you have to be asked to play, right? You can't just say, hey lemme play on your u16 team.
I really don't understand your beef, why do you hate the military so much? All of these kids are military kids. How do you fault someone for being forced to live in Germany bc they are 6 yrs old and don't get to make those choices. My Aunt and Uncle were both born in Germany and my mother almost was as well. Pretty sweet that I managed to get 2 American grandparents an American mother and then a German Aunt and Uncle all produced by the same people.
Play in their youth system? You know you have to be asked to play, right? You can't just say, hey lemme play on your u16 team.
I really don't understand your beef, why do you hate the military so much? All of these kids are military kids. How do you fault someone for being forced to live in Germany bc they are 6 yrs old and don't get to make those choices. My Aunt and Uncle were both born in Germany and my mother almost was as well. Pretty sweet that I managed to get 2 American grandparents an American mother and then a German Aunt and Uncle all produced by the same people.
Posted on 3/21/13 at 11:49 am to RandySavage
It took you reading crazy's post to realize that a lot of nations use dual national citizens? .....
Posted on 3/21/13 at 11:53 am to Tweezy
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Could you stop frickig saying that these guys never visited America before playing????
I kinda kept that going. Williams and I think Chandler were who I had in mind. Like you, I never could find anything on Chandler.
Posted on 3/21/13 at 12:19 pm to WarSlamEagle
If I knew how to make gifs I would make one with all of our players who don't deserve to be American and do one of those sunglass deal with it gifs. Randall loves that one, he only posts the 10 month old Chelsea version a few times a day. *cue frank Lampard dwi gif*
Posted on 3/21/13 at 12:23 pm to Tweezy
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It took you reading crazy's post to realize that a lot of nations use dual national citizens? .....
No, I just think the system is ridiculous and needs major tweaking.
Also, I still don't understand how everyone is fine with these Germans but hates Giuseppe Rossi. He moved to Italy when he was 12 with this goal in mind. He did it exactly the way someone with dual citizenship should do it yet is treated like the scum of the earth on this board.
Posted on 3/21/13 at 12:28 pm to RandySavage
It was explained on here earlier but you gloss over posts, apparently. Most, if not, all of these German-Americans had major identity issues growing up, they never felt German. They always felt like Americans living in Germany. Not everyone has the financial means to move across the world.
Giuseppe Rossi says all the time that he is an American and identifies himself as an American in everything in his life. Except that he wants to play for Italy.
Giuseppe Rossi says all the time that he is an American and identifies himself as an American in everything in his life. Except that he wants to play for Italy.
Posted on 3/21/13 at 12:29 pm to RandySavage
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Also, I still don't understand how everyone is fine with these Germans but hates Giuseppe Rossi. He moved to Italy when he was 12 with this goal in mind. He did it exactly the way someone with dual citizenship should do it yet is treated like the scum of the earth on this board.
Do you really not understand it, or are you trying to make a point? On one hand, the guy shunned America and joined Italy. On the other hand, these guys joined America. It may be a biased opinion, but the first situation hurt the USMNT, while the second helped.
This post was edited on 3/21/13 at 12:30 pm
Posted on 3/21/13 at 12:29 pm to RandySavage
Yeah, Rossi, the guy who calls himself "American" and has spent the last 16 months rehabbing his knee in New Jersey.
Posted on 3/21/13 at 12:36 pm to RandySavage
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But you can continue avoiding the questions and carrying on with childish insults if that makes you feel better.
calling your post xeno is childish
Posted on 3/21/13 at 12:41 pm to RandySavage
Well those are a little bit different for 2 reasons: Fabian Johnson doesn't run around saying 'I'm German' then get an invite for the German national team then turn it down to play for USA. They committed to us at a young age, if their dream really was to play for Germany, I don't think they would've given up at 24
Posted on 3/21/13 at 1:05 pm to DestrehanTiger
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Do you really not understand it, or are you trying to make a point? On one hand, the guy shunned America and joined Italy. On the other hand, these guys joined America. It may be a biased opinion, but the first situation hurt the USMNT, while the second helped.
That sounds great in theory but I just don't think that's the way it went down. To me, what it seems like on the surface, one guy had the opportunity to upgrade and took it the other guys joined America because they didn't have another option. You honestly think if they got a German call up they would have passed it up to play for the US? I don't. Maybe I'm wrong but that's how it seems.
Posted on 3/21/13 at 1:08 pm to Tweezy
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if their dream really was to play for Germany, I don't think they would've given up at 24
Again, maybe I'm wrong but 24 is not that young in the soccer world. If, at 24, you still aren't getting call ups for your national team it's almost a certainty you're not going to ever be a prominent player for your squad.
Posted on 3/21/13 at 1:14 pm to RandySavage
I'm just saying you don't give up on your "dream" with 7 years left in your career
Posted on 3/21/13 at 3:10 pm to ezride25
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I think we need more slums with kids playing with balls made out of trash. We're just too first world to compete.
There's some truth in this.
Posted on 3/21/13 at 3:16 pm to hendersonshands
quote:This, but RandySavage ignores the posts that he wants to.. all of them, especially Danny Williams(watch one of his old interviews) had a hard time identifying as german because of the way they appeared and this caused people to treat them differently... take Jermaine Jones for example, you would never guess he's german american by his appearance(black, fully tattoed) this was the case to an extent with all of our AfroGermericans
It was explained on here earlier but you gloss over posts, apparently. Most, if not, all of these German-Americans had major identity issues growing up, they never felt German. They always felt like Americans living in Germany. Not everyone has the financial means to move across the world.
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