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re: MLS calls news conference at 3 PM to respond to Klinsmann

Posted on 10/15/14 at 7:55 pm to
Posted by Vicks Kennel Club
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Posted on 10/15/14 at 7:55 pm to
Welcome to the team, Garber.
Posted by Sheep
Neither here nor there
Member since Jun 2007
19488 posts
Posted on 10/16/14 at 8:01 am to
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"I am in no way saying what Sunil should be doing with Jurgen as it relates with his employment. That is between Sunil and Jurgen. I think he's done a great job with the national team. I think he needs to think very, very hard about how he manages himself publicly and how he deals with his view as to how he should motivate players that are playing in our league."


Probably over-dramatic speculation on my part - but perhaps something occurred (or was said) in training or meetings between the time that Landon left and the Honduras game, and word about it got back to Garber.

Almost to a man, the MLS players looked like they DGAF about playing on Tuesday night.

I do find it interesting that Dempsey and Bradley are singled out for making "poor career decisions", while Jermaine Jones was not.

It's all much ado (Adu?) about nothing. With Jurgen's track record, clubs and countries are surely beating down his door to hire him away. Once that happens, this stuff is a non-issue.








































Posted by Pettifogger
Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone
Member since Feb 2012
79127 posts
Posted on 10/16/14 at 8:19 am to
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If I could control the sun and pick any time zone to live in, I'd still go Central. By far the best for TV. Don't have to stay up too late for the West Coast sports and prime time starts at 7.



Yeah ideally, but if you battle traffic and work in a field where hours aren't simply 9-5, you're gonna miss some stuff. I leave office at 6:30-7, get home at 8, and that's not extreme for my profession in the least.
Posted by uway
Member since Sep 2004
33109 posts
Posted on 10/16/14 at 9:12 am to
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I do find it interesting that Dempsey and Bradley are singled out for making "poor career decisions", while Jermaine Jones was not.


JJ was 32 when he came to MLS after playing for Besiktas
Bradley was 26 when he left Roma to play in MLS
Dempsey was 30 when he left Tottenham to play in MLS

Who other than the MLS commish could possibly have problem with this:
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“There’s nothing I can do about it,” Klinsmann said when asked if he was concerned about Dempsey and Bradley being able to maintain their levels playing in MLS. “I made it clear with Clint’s move back and (Bradley’s) move back that it’s going to be very difficult for them to keep that same level that they experienced at the places where they were. It’s just reality. It’s just being honest.

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Klinsmann said. “Now, making the step back, I totally get it. It’s a huge financial offer. It’s also connected to many other elements and this league is getting better and stronger every year which we are all very proud about, and I want everyone to grow in this environment, but the reality also is that for both players, making that step means that you are not (in the) competitive environment that you were in before.

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“He had to adjust to the environment he’s in with Toronto instead maybe an environment that plays Champions League football,” Klinsmann said. “He’s going through that experience now and still coming in. For the first time since the World Cup, he has to prove that he hasn’t lost a bit. Obviously, he'll keep working and pushing, but it’s down to him and his environment to see what he’s capable to play in.”

Man what an A-HOLE that German is! What does he know about the relative strength of soccer leagues and the effect of competitive environments on a players development?


And then we have Garber:
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“Jurgen’s comments are very, very detrimental to our league,”
Is he talking about some comments other than what I posted?
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And not only are they detrimental, I think they’re wrong.”
So, Don, it's incorrect that Toronto and Seattle are at a lower level than Tottenham and Roma?
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I’m confident that he will understand and accept the severity of what is happening here, and insure that [Klinsmann] is in line with the vision that he has publicly stated.”

The severity of the US national team coach publicly telling his players that they will get better by playing in better leagues? I'm sure Sunil is burning up JK's phone with texts telling him to get in line and stop calling the sky blue.

Garber is acting a clown and turning JK's unremarkable comments into a big deal that highlights the weakness of MLS.
Posted by TN Bhoy
San Antonio, TX
Member since Apr 2010
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Posted on 10/16/14 at 9:44 am to
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Who other than the MLS commish could possibly have problem with this:



Every person who noticed that Jurgy just called up a fricking NASL player.
Posted by tigerfan88
Member since Jan 2008
8181 posts
Posted on 10/16/14 at 9:56 am to
Is that really what Klinsman said?? That's not bad at all. Garber is overblowing this so badly.

I also don't see how it relates to klinsman calling up an NASL player. For starters it's a bullshite camp and a good time to experiment. Secondly, just bc he thinks his players should be in Europe doesn't mean he's going to drop them. Just bc he thinks Bradley and Dempsey would be better if they stayed in Europe doesn't mean he doesn't realize they're two of his best players
Posted by uway
Member since Sep 2004
33109 posts
Posted on 10/16/14 at 10:03 am to
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Every person who noticed that Jurgy just called up a fricking NASL player.


Even in the face of that completely damning piece of evidence, I stubbornly hold to the belief that it's not crazy for Jurgen to think that Bradley leaving Roma for Toronto FC at 26 could potentially hurt his development.
Posted by Friend of OBUDan
Member since Dec 2008
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Posted on 10/16/14 at 10:16 am to
really doesn't have anything to do with this issue.
Posted by thesoccerfanjax
Member since Nov 2013
6128 posts
Posted on 10/16/14 at 10:46 am to
Dear God. MLS is not "painful" to watch. Stop with the hyperbole.
Posted by LuckyTiger
Someone's Alter
Member since Dec 2008
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Posted on 10/16/14 at 12:30 pm to
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it's not crazy for Jurgen to think that Bradley leaving Roma for Toronto FC at 26 could potentially hurt his development.

I don't know how much more development Bradley would do at 26. And I'm not sure playing once a month at Roma is better than playing every week at Toronto.

All of this hubbub can be condensed down to the following: Garber is absolutely right to defend and protect the league he has been working hard to build here in our country; it is absolutely necessary for increased and sustained long term growth of soccer. Jurgen is absolutely right in saying that the level of competition in Europe is much better than in the States and he is justified in wanting his players to have that higher level of competition for his USMNT that he is working hard to build.

BUT...and this is really what it's all about...Jurgen does not have to consistently run down the league in public and publicly admonish US players that choose to play in the league. The point of Garber's move was to get Jurgen to shut up (at least publicly) about his league.
Posted by The Mick
Member since Oct 2010
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Posted on 10/16/14 at 12:34 pm to
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LuckyTiger
Well said.
Posted by Friend of OBUDan
Member since Dec 2008
9963 posts
Posted on 10/16/14 at 12:59 pm to
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don't know how much more development Bradley would do at 26. And I'm not sure playing once a month at Roma is better than playing every week at Toronto


that's the beginning of an athlete's prime years. regardless, in that instance, he's talking about the lack of match sharpness that comes with playing at lower levels of competition, which is about as uncontroversial statement in world sports as exists.
Posted by Boomtown
Member since Jan 2014
1986 posts
Posted on 10/16/14 at 1:00 pm to
whoa bro, don't go pulling in the entire quote into this. that might actually lend some perspective. we prefer to chase soundbites.
Posted by Oenophile Brah
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Member since Jan 2013
7540 posts
Posted on 10/16/14 at 1:18 pm to
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he's talking about the lack of match sharpness that comes with playing at lower levels of competition, which is about as uncontroversial statement in world sports as exists.

Exactly.

The WSJ has a nice article today that comes to Jurgen's defense.

WSJ-pay site

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The larger problem for Garber is that history and numbers aren’t on his side. The idea that playing against top competition is the best way to improve has been a central concept in sports for going on 50 years. Whatever goals Garber has to make MLS a destination for the best players in the world, the overwhelming majority of foreign stars who come to MLS still do so when they are past their prime. The league’s top goal scorer this year, Bradley Wright-Phillips, who has scored 25 goals for the New York Red Bulls, spent the previous three seasons as a middling forward in England’s second division. That’s an inconvenient truth.
Posted by wrc12
Member since Sep 2011
453 posts
Posted on 10/16/14 at 2:15 pm to
I tend to agree with Jurgen's comments as well as that WSJ article. The MLS as well as the USMNT players need that driving factor to push them to unprecedented limits in American soccer. Rather than take offense to his comments they need to take his criticism like grown men and prove him wrong if they disagree.
Posted by Oenophile Brah
The Edge of Sanity
Member since Jan 2013
7540 posts
Posted on 10/16/14 at 2:33 pm to
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I tend to agree with Jurgen's comments as well as that WSJ article. The MLS as well as the USMNT players need that driving factor to push them to unprecedented limits in American soccer. Rather than take offense to his comments they need to take his criticism like grown men and prove him wrong if they disagree.

Yeah, but I get the point that Jurgen can have those feelings and relay them to the individual players, while still promoting the MLS. Clearly the MLS has inferior talent with a goal to be a top 5 national league. I believe the goals of stregthening the MLS and USA soccer can both be achieved even if they require different choices in the short term. Jurgen should operate with that in mind.
Posted by Sid in Lakeshore
Member since Oct 2008
41956 posts
Posted on 10/16/14 at 3:37 pm to
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Is that really what Klinsman said?? That's not bad at all. Garber is overblowing this so badly.


This, those comments are nothing but reality, and stated mildly.

ETA: It is a bit of a conundrum though. You want the USMNT players to compete against the highest levels of competition to hone/maintain skills. You also want MLS to be/develop the highest and best players possible to support the USMNT. By top players going abroad, you water down the MLS talent level.
This post was edited on 10/16/14 at 4:50 pm
Posted by RedPop4
Santiago de Compostela
Member since Jan 2005
14397 posts
Posted on 10/16/14 at 5:20 pm to
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Klinsmann said. “Now, making the step back, I totally get it. It’s a huge financial offer. It’s also connected to many other elements and this league is getting better and stronger every year which we are all very proud about, and I want everyone to grow in this environment, but the reality also is that for both players, making that step means that you are not (in the) competitive environment that you were in before.
That's "Running down the league?????" REALLY????
Good Lord have mercy. Heck yes, I WANT MLS to get better and better. It will. It takes time, lots of time in this sport for a national entity to grow. They're going about it the right way, mostly, being patient (until now adding too many clubs in a short time, but that's another discussion,) with increasing salaries, getting stadia built, etc.

But to go off and whine in the media about the national coach not blowing smoke about the league. Imagine if he'd REALLY insulted the league. Garber's an arse.
Posted by PeepleHeppinBidness
Manchester United Fan
Member since Oct 2013
3553 posts
Posted on 10/17/14 at 9:02 am to
Klinsmann publicly responds to Garber's comments:

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It’s great to see that we have debates and public discussions like this because that shows that more and more people care about soccer in this country,” Klinsmann said. “In Europe, in South America and in Mexico we’re all used to this,” Klinsmann said. “It’s part of people’s everyday lives – to have debates about different opinions. It’s just starting now in the United States and I think it’s pretty cool.”


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“I never meant to put anyone down in the MLS by saying we need the highest level possible for our players no matter where they play,” Klinsmann said, “It was just an attempt to explain that players need to always strive to the highest possible level. I think some things were a little misread into my comments.”


LINK
Posted by StraightCashHomey21
Aberdeen,NC
Member since Jul 2009
125397 posts
Posted on 10/17/14 at 9:07 am to
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All but a couple MLS clubs would get relegated if they played in the SPFL.



On another note the all mighty Celtic is off to its worst start in 15 years.

Celtic and the SPL have gone down the shitter with our Rangers.
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