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re: Landon Donovan: Jurgen Klinsmann should go if U.S. loses to Mexico
Posted on 10/6/15 at 1:35 pm to Vicks Kennel Club
Posted on 10/6/15 at 1:35 pm to Vicks Kennel Club
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If I could go back in time and remove one German from the course of history, then WWII still would have happened.
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Posted on 10/6/15 at 2:12 pm to PeepleHeppinBidness
Probably because Hitler was Austrian.
Posted on 10/6/15 at 2:14 pm to Shane4689
Posted on 10/6/15 at 2:49 pm to hendersonshands
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Probably because Hitler was Austrian
Eh, semantics. We all know what he meant
Posted on 10/6/15 at 3:06 pm to PeepleHeppinBidness
Everyone wants to give Jurgen credit for the talent pool being so much deeper than it was under Bob & Bruce... and that's true. He does deserve some credit for his recruitment of dual-nationals and sprucing up our youth development system.
But with that said, he also deserves blame for producing less results than Bob & Bruce albeit with a deeper pool. We are 4 years in with Jurgen and, tactically, I still have no idea what we are doing... That's not good.
The irony in all of this is that the only reason the US is in this game is because LD put that 13 GC team on his back.
But with that said, he also deserves blame for producing less results than Bob & Bruce albeit with a deeper pool. We are 4 years in with Jurgen and, tactically, I still have no idea what we are doing... That's not good.
The irony in all of this is that the only reason the US is in this game is because LD put that 13 GC team on his back.
Posted on 10/6/15 at 5:25 pm to EastNastySwag
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Landycakes is such a selfish and insufferable a-hole. All he did was create even more pressure for the players with his childish comments. Now the players will have will to deal with this distraction. What an a-hole.
You act like former players aren't allowed to commentate on the sports and teams they played on. It literally happens in every sport in this country and every country on Earth. I mean before the WC Alexi Lalas told the players straight up he didn't think they would get out of the group.
How is Donovan selfish? And how are these comments a-hole comments? He's just speaking his mind. Again people will say it's sour grapes because of the source, but I don't think he's too far off base.
Posted on 10/6/15 at 5:55 pm to NamariTiger
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We have way more talent than Costa Rica and Jamaica ,
I agree with your overall point about how dysfunctional the team has looked recently under Klinsmann but I wouldn't include Costa Rica in any list of teams we have way more talent than.
US probably has a lot more depth but Costa Rica is a bit better than the credit given.
In my opinion, you go a long ways if your "spine" of GK-CBs-Center mids are solid (and not very far at all if they're not).
Costa Rica can compete with the US in this regard:
GK Keylor Navas: even though he's now starting for fricking Real Madrid, still underrated
CBs:
Giancarlo González may have been a really late bloomer but was extremely impressive at the WC and has continued that form and been very solid every time I see him play for Palermo in Serie A since his move there after the WC.
Oscar Duarte is a starter for Brugge
Júnior Díaz was a solid player for Mainz in Bundesliga
Add Michael Umaña that at least has a ton of NT experience
Central Midfield:
Celso Borges played for AIK and now Deportivo in La Liga. Not a world beater but a very solid veteran player.
Yeltsin Tejeda at least started for Evian in Ligue 1
Then you can add a couple of decently talented players like Ruiz and Campbell in the attack.
Again, not saying they're world beaters or that the USMNT isn't better but they do have as many solid players that play for decent sized clubs as we put on the pitch at any given time in the most crucial positions.
Posted on 10/6/15 at 6:10 pm to EastNastySwag
Pretty rich coming from the most insufferable a-hole on the soccer board.
Posted on 10/6/15 at 7:49 pm to Vicks Kennel Club
I'll go on record as saying that I'm open to that discussion being had if he loses to Mexico. It's one thing to "experiment" when it doesn't matter, but this is a big deal. This is a huge game, and how we match up will show whether it was all really "experimentation" or if we just suck arse now.
This game is a must-win.
This game is a must-win.
Posted on 10/7/15 at 9:06 am to itawambadog
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It comes off as sour grapes but he's right. Bradley was fired after losing to Mexico in a Gold Cup Final. We freaking lost the 3rd place game
Yep. Spot on.
Posted on 10/7/15 at 6:15 pm to loweralabamatrojan
SoccerByIves weighs in:
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Losing happens – this is pro sports, after all – but the way in which the U.S. has gone about its business is concerning. There has been no semblance of an identity on the field for the Americans this year. No set style of play. Some players even talked last month about the U.S. losing a bit of its never-say-die attitude. The constant tinkering with lineups and rosters from Klinsmann surely has not helped.
Klinsmann has picked up several good results in his tenure as U.S. coach doing things his way, but there is no denying that he has struggled for consistent performances and victories in 2015 in games that either matter or are against equal or superior opposition. That has put the direction of the program into question, especially since World Cup qualifying is around the corner.
If Klinsmann adds to this year’s woes with another major letdown on Saturday, he should absolutely be fired. Not only would a defeat be the latest in a series of major setbacks for the U.S., but it would also mean that the Americans miss out on competing in a tournament in the 2017 Confederations Cup that Klinsmann has stressed as being important.
That lack of success would cost Klinsmann his job in most other nations across the world. Heck, former U.S. head coach Bob Bradley was fired more or less for the same thing four years ago.
The 51-year-old Klinsmann should, however, be surpassing, not matching what Bradley did. Klinsmann has to be held to a higher standard because he is being paid more handsomely – much more handsomely – and has talked a big game about changing the U.S. into a team that is more proactive and less reactive.
How then can Klinsmann explain the U.S. being outshot 36-17, per U.S. Soccer statistics, against Honduras, Haiti, and Panama in the group stage of the Gold Cup four years into his tenure? That’s a mind-blowing statistic on its own, and even more astonishing given the homefield advantage the U.S. had in the tournament, and the talent superiority the Americans possess.
How can Klinsmann also continuously ignore attack-minded players who are putting up good numbers in MLS like Benny Feilhaber, Sacha Kljestan, and Lee Nguyen in favor of Mix Diskerud, Alfredo Morales, and Kyle Beckerman? That demonstrates a confusing contradiction in the coach’s own ideas.
All this could still be somewhat overlooked if the U.S. was getting better results, but it isn’t. Beating Germany and the Netherlands in friendlies is nice, but is it that much better than, say, topping Spain in the Confederations Cup? Yes, you can point to getting out of a tough group in the 2014 World Cup as an accomplishment, but the end result of being bounced out in the Round of 16 was exactly the same as it was four years prior.
Klinsmann with his experience and knowledge is supposed to elevate the U.S. program, and there are no real signs that he is doing that. He has expanded the player pool, introduced new ideas, and challenged the status quo, but it has not translated consistently on the field, especially not this year.
There has been talk from Klinsmann about helping transform the U.S. into a soccer-crazed nation, one in which a lack of results leads to intense scrutiny, pressure, and occasional changes.
That is all slowly beginning to happen, so Klinsmann better deliver on Saturday vs. Mexico. He would deserve to be fired otherwise. Even if he won’t be.
Posted on 10/7/15 at 6:48 pm to cwil177
When it comes down to it, the results have been good enough for the most part, but the process of shite. You have to trust the process and no one outside of Jurgen does.
Posted on 10/7/15 at 7:53 pm to Vicks Kennel Club
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You have to trust the process
A'ight
Posted on 10/7/15 at 8:28 pm to 225bred
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I'm also not a fanboy who vilified JK for leaving Landon off the WC roster.
You don't have to be a Landon fanboy to be disgusted with it. Just a United States of America fanboy with a brain.
This post was edited on 10/7/15 at 8:30 pm
Posted on 10/7/15 at 9:16 pm to Lou Pai
Jurgey´s doing what Jurgey does. Ignite, then fizzle out.
He never wanted to be da head corch, he´s said all along it´s his intention to be the sporting director/program director/technical director.
It´s probably time for Tab Ramos era, and as for what the Indian will do with Jurgey (when that time comes), I have no idea.
He never wanted to be da head corch, he´s said all along it´s his intention to be the sporting director/program director/technical director.
It´s probably time for Tab Ramos era, and as for what the Indian will do with Jurgey (when that time comes), I have no idea.
This post was edited on 10/7/15 at 9:18 pm
Posted on 10/7/15 at 9:23 pm to Dandy Lion
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He never wanted to be da head corch, he´s said all along it´s his intention to be the sporting director/program director/technical director.
It´s probably time for Tab Ramos era, and as for what the Indian will do with Jurgey (when that time comes), I have no idea.
What in the good frick are you talking about?
Posted on 10/8/15 at 1:51 am to Dandy Lion
Why do you refer to Gulati as "the Indian?" That's fricking weird, man.
And yes, Jurgen wanted to be head coach. Wtf are you talking about?
And yes, Jurgen wanted to be head coach. Wtf are you talking about?
Posted on 10/8/15 at 6:57 am to cwil177
Not only did Jurgen want to manage the USMNT, he did absolutely nothing to hide the fact that he wanted the job while still commentating on ESPN. Everyone and their mother knew he wanted to take us for a spin.
Posted on 10/8/15 at 7:40 am to cwil177
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How then can Klinsmann explain the U.S. being outshot 36-17, per U.S. Soccer statistics, against Honduras, Haiti, and Panama in the group stage of the Gold Cup four years into his tenure? That’s a mind-blowing statistic on its own, and even more astonishing given the homefield advantage the U.S. had in the tournament, and the talent superiority the Americans possess.
This stat still blows my mind
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How can Klinsmann also continuously ignore attack-minded players who are putting up good numbers in MLS like Benny Feilhaber, Sacha Kljestan, and Lee Nguyen in favor of Mix Diskerud, Alfredo Morales, and Kyle Beckerman? That demonstrates a confusing contradiction in the coach’s own ideas.
Posted on 10/9/15 at 5:46 am to Shane4689
I still haven't forgiven Landon for saying the women's team could beat the men.
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