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re: Jurgen supporters, gather here*

Posted on 5/24/14 at 7:59 pm to
Posted by Gmorgan4982
Member since May 2005
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Posted on 5/24/14 at 7:59 pm to
I imagine most of the former players played with Donovan, never played with Davis or Wondo and have never played for Klinsmann.
Posted by joey barton
Member since Feb 2011
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Posted on 5/24/14 at 8:15 pm to
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BTW, here's a good read:


From that excerpt, it's really not. He was an incredibly effective player because he used his speed well, not because he was fast. I've watched him play well at times this season, though he was bad for a few games leading up to camp. Rosters aren't made via a friendly and a couple of league games.

He still showed the ability to open games up doing very little. That's what separates good players from mediocre players, and that's why a lot of people are pissed the frick off.
Posted by wm72
Brooklyn
Member since Mar 2010
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Posted on 5/24/14 at 8:31 pm to
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He still showed the ability to open games up doing very little. That's what separates good players from mediocre players, and that's why a lot of people are pissed the frick off.


Exactly.

Pace and power is, unfortunately, the focus of many fans.

However, it's the brilliant, unexpected pass out of nowhere that much more often breaks down a high quality, organized international defense (like, say, Portugal's).

It's why Italy did better in the past Euro's playing Antonio Cassano, laughably out of shape after a serious heart problem, instead of much more "in form" options.

Donovan's been the only American player for a long time to consistently provide those elite moments against top competition no matter his "form".

Nothing in Klinsmann managerial history makes me think he's above the exact kind of questioning he's receiving on this since it's the most controversial roster decision I recall regarding the USMNT.



This post was edited on 5/24/14 at 8:34 pm
Posted by thenry712
Zasullia, Ukraine
Member since Nov 2008
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Posted on 5/24/14 at 8:40 pm to
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Nothing in Klinsmann managerial history makes me think he's above questioning.



Klinsmann is a bit of a tactical doofus, but I'm decently intrigued to see what his new assistant manager Berti Vogts provides. Martin Vazquez is a complete managerial failure, and I'm glad Klinsmann fired him.

I like that Klinsmann embraces new analytical data based on physical player tracking. I think he realizes America's one categorical advantage in international football is that we produce some of the best raw athletes. However, selecting John Brooks over Clarence Goodson based on stuff like VO2 max tests seems ridiculous. I don't think he's dumb enough to do that, but he has been previously accused of focusing too much on aerobics and other physical metrics.
Posted by Keys Open Doors
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Posted on 5/24/14 at 8:47 pm to
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However, selecting John Brooks over Clarence Goodson based on stuff like VO2 max tests seems ridiculous. I don't think he's dumb enough to do that, but he has been previously accused of focusing too much on aerobics and other physical metrics.



Isn't this what Philip Lahm's book is basically about?
Posted by thenry712
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Member since Nov 2008
15795 posts
Posted on 5/24/14 at 8:59 pm to
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Evans said he trained almost exclusively at center back while he was with USMNT. Was caught by surprise at timing of decision.


This is the most moronic thing if true.
Posted by cwil177
Baton Rouge
Member since Jun 2011
28618 posts
Posted on 5/24/14 at 9:01 pm to
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Klinsmann is a bit of a tactical doofus, but I'm decently intrigued to see what his new assistant manager Berti Vogts provides. Martin Vazquez is a complete managerial failure, and I'm glad Klinsmann fired him.

More importantly, he hired Tab Ramos, who tactically is very astute.

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Keys Open Doors

Your sig looks like it was written by a 15 year old girl writing a passive-aggressive facebook post to her now ex-boyfriend before permanently defriending him.
Posted by Keys Open Doors
In hiding with Tupac & XXXTentacion
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32014 posts
Posted on 5/24/14 at 9:06 pm to
I don't think you know what passive-aggressive means.

Posted by cwil177
Baton Rouge
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28618 posts
Posted on 5/24/14 at 9:08 pm to
I think your signature is childish and stupid. Better?
Posted by Keys Open Doors
In hiding with Tupac & XXXTentacion
Member since Dec 2008
32014 posts
Posted on 5/24/14 at 9:10 pm to
At least you aren't using fancy words that don't understand the meaning of.

Posted by thenry712
Zasullia, Ukraine
Member since Nov 2008
15795 posts
Posted on 5/24/14 at 9:29 pm to
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Parkhurst said he felt he left everything on the field. "I just think that his mind was set up even before the camp was started."


Also annoying if true
Posted by PTBob
Member since Nov 2010
7074 posts
Posted on 5/24/14 at 9:31 pm to
Came here to post that. Kinda interesting. What say you klinssman apologists?

Let me guess. Parkhurst is butthurt?
This post was edited on 5/24/14 at 9:32 pm
Posted by Broski
Member since Jun 2011
72184 posts
Posted on 5/24/14 at 9:31 pm to
See, the fact that multiple players think this is kind of alarming.
Posted by Vicks Kennel Club
29-24 #BlewDat
Member since Dec 2010
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Posted on 5/26/14 at 2:15 pm to
Bump.
Posted by rockchlkjayhku11
Cincinnati, OH
Member since Aug 2006
36518 posts
Posted on 5/26/14 at 2:31 pm to
i never really thought parkhurst had a chance, so for some reason his statement doesnt hold as much weight to me.

clarence goodson saying he couldnt get a reason out of klinsmann for being cut is much more interesting to me. goodson was pretty borderline to me, and every player being cut deserves to know why. even if it's as simple as "we thought the other guys at your position were better/could contribute more." that's a pretty easy way out so it's odd that klinsmann didnt at least give him that.
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