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re: Jurgen supporters, gather here*
Posted on 5/24/14 at 12:01 am to DByrd2
Posted on 5/24/14 at 12:01 am to DByrd2
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Donovan screwed himself. Even if there were something personal to it, if Donovan comes in and is in peak physical condition, he makes it harder for JK to make the call he did. He didn't even do himself that favor. I love Donovan, but you can't half-arse your preparation leading to a World Cup.
The physios at camp said that his stamina and everything looked fine.
quote:Sure, but I still want Landon coming off the bench if we need a late goal... not Brad Davis.
One last thing... JK is not just doing this for the World Cup this time around. He is setting up US soccer for the future. He has a few experienced guys, and has given them a leadership role, surrounding them with young and talented players. They are the future of the USMNT, and I feel like so many young people being on this team is an obvious move for future posture on the World Cup scene.
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Posted on 5/24/14 at 12:02 am to Broski
Looks like an insect´s wing or something
Posted on 5/24/14 at 12:04 am to cwil177
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They are the future of the USMNT, and I feel like so many young people being on this team is an obvious move for future posture on the World Cup scene.
I don't agree a lot with Lalas, but he has been on point today in saying how fricked it is IF it's true that we are calling in guys now to get them ready for 2018.
There is no guarantee that Green, Brooks and Yedlin are even apart of the picture in 4 years.
Posted on 5/24/14 at 12:07 am to Broski
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I don't agree a lot with Lalas, but he has been on point today in saying how fricked it is IF it's true that we are calling in guys now to get them ready for 2018.
There is no guarantee that Green, Brooks and Yedlin are even apart of the picture in 4 years.
I'm actually ok with this, but I hope it's because Jurgen thinks they can contribute. I still think I take Brooks over Goodson as the 4th CB. Yedlin... eh. But who else would take that spot? If it had been my choice I would have said Ream, given his versatility.
I still think that not bringing Landon is pretty fricked. I take him over Davis 100 out of 100 times.
Posted on 5/24/14 at 12:09 am to cwil177
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I hope it's because Jurgen thinks they can contribute.
That was Lalas' point on the podcast, if they contribute, ok then they warranted the call up. If they are here simply because Jurgen thinks these guys will have big roles in 2018, then we are going about this all wrong.
Posted on 5/24/14 at 12:12 am to Broski
I can´t see obviating Donovan, really, unless for some reason his presence could be disruptive to the collective, or a waste of a slot (with respect to what Klinsmann wants to do with this group).
Posted on 5/24/14 at 6:32 am to Broski
I don't have a problem with JAB or Yedlin making it because they are defenders. I don't have a problem with Davis if Jurgen is only looking at Donovan as a striker. I don't have have a problem with Green because he's looked good in camp and he probably has a better chance of running past a defender than Donovan. Not crazy about Wondo, but you can't argue that he doesn't score goals.
Posted on 5/24/14 at 10:36 am to DByrd2
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By that logic, Michael Jordan should still be on the Olympic Basketball team because he is the GOAT.
That's the worst comparison ever.
It's probably more like Manu Ginobli not making the Spurs playoff roster.
Posted on 5/24/14 at 5:29 pm to Stewie Griffin
Good to see this thread. Too many people are putting a player above the team and are making statements based more on emotion than on the facts that are before them.
Posted on 5/24/14 at 5:41 pm to Sophandros
The only fact I need is that there is no metric by which one can say Brad Davis is better than Landon Donovan.
Posted on 5/24/14 at 5:49 pm to BamaChick
Just this season (which is who a player IS vs who he WAS):
.73 assists per 90 vs .29
1 goal vs 0 goals
Look, I like Landon Donovan and appreciate all that he's done for us over the last 12 plus years. But you have to look out for the team first, not just a player to whom you're emotionally attached.
.73 assists per 90 vs .29
1 goal vs 0 goals
Look, I like Landon Donovan and appreciate all that he's done for us over the last 12 plus years. But you have to look out for the team first, not just a player to whom you're emotionally attached.
This post was edited on 5/24/14 at 5:52 pm
Posted on 5/24/14 at 6:12 pm to Sophandros
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But you have to look out for the team first, not just a player to whom you're emotionally attached.
While this is absolutely true, I think you could make a dispassionate argument for including Donovan (and excluding him for that matter). It beggars belief that Klinnsmann thought Donovan couldn't contribute to the team from a support striker role, which is honestly probably the only position he could play in Klinnsmann's system. Plenty of aging wingers have moved inside and used their ability to work in tight spaces to great affect in central areas. It's sort of become a right of passage for wingers who no longer have the legs to play out wide. Donovan's decision-making has always been on a level above most players in our pool, and that doesn't go away with age and declining physical ability.
I'm most disappointed in the decision in a tactical sense. We don't have any options off the bench who can speed up the play like Donovan can, or use movement intelligently, or play a final ball of real class. Davis and Wondo are mostly one trick ponies in my mind, good players, but on the fringes of international quality.
Posted on 5/24/14 at 6:12 pm to Sophandros
Bro, did you see that Algeria goal? There's no way Brad Davis could have knocked that into the wide open net! These facts mean nothing!
Posted on 5/24/14 at 6:27 pm to Dijkstra
I think you might be an idiot. After Howard's distribution, Donovan MADE THAT ENTIRE GOAL. Brad Davis certainly could not have, and never could have made that goal. EVER.
This post was edited on 5/24/14 at 6:31 pm
Posted on 5/24/14 at 6:28 pm to Dijkstra
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Bro, did you see that Algeria goal? There's no way Brad Davis could have knocked that into the wide open net! These facts mean nothing!
HO. LEE. shite.
Posted on 5/24/14 at 6:31 pm to Broski
I'm purposely being as extreme in the opposite direction to counteract the bitching over this nonsense. This is exactly how most of you sound to me right now.
Everyone's surprised, including me. Everyone's unnerved, including me. Everyone is nervous about the choice, including me.
That doesn't mean we need to fricking berate the people who WILL be playing at the World Cup over it.
I'm a United fan. Comes with the territory, right?
Everyone's surprised, including me. Everyone's unnerved, including me. Everyone is nervous about the choice, including me.
That doesn't mean we need to fricking berate the people who WILL be playing at the World Cup over it.
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I think you might be an idiot.
I'm a United fan. Comes with the territory, right?
This post was edited on 5/24/14 at 6:32 pm
Posted on 5/24/14 at 6:58 pm to Sophandros
It says a lot when not a single respected former player is backing Klinsmann in this.
Posted on 5/24/14 at 7:00 pm to Sophandros
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Good to see this thread. Too many people are putting a player above the team and are making statements based more on emotion than on the facts that are before them.
Maybe you should read through this thread.
I suppose you think Brian McBride and Brad Friedel have lost control of their emotions. They looked calm to me when they basically said Jurgy fricked up.
Posted on 5/24/14 at 7:11 pm to LuckyTiger
They are acting out of emotion.
BTW, here's a good read:
An Uncomfortable Cut
An excerpt:
BTW, here's a good read:
An Uncomfortable Cut
An excerpt:
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Let's get one thing out of the way: Landon Donovan is not the same Landon Donovan we have come to adore and respect. He is still a good player, but he is not the athletic, transcendent superstar he once was. Donovan was at his best from the 50th to 70th minute, where his crazy energy level would give him an advantage over most defenders. But at 32, he has truly lost a step, which was in full display against a weak Mexican side a few months ago when he came on as a sub. He was unable to beat defenders one-on-one and was noticeably slower off the ball. Four years ago, it would have been heresy to suggest that Donovan might not be the best man on the wing; but Graham Zusi, at 27 years old, is a better option today and in the future on the right side.
Lots of people seem to think Donovan could provide value coming off the bench, but he has not demonstrated this recently. Davis, on the other hand, is more naturally suited to this role, always playing within himself and understanding what he can and cannot do. Last October, he had two assists coming off the bench against Panama, setting up the game-tying and game-winning goals in an important qualifier. This is an admittedly flimsy argument, but I can't see a much stronger one for Donovan coming off the bench other than "he's Landon F***ing Donovan," which, I know, man, I know.
Regardless of what formation Klinsmann deploys, it's hard to argue for Donovan starting on the left. If Klinsmann plays a 4-2-3-1, Michael Bradley and either Jermaine Jones or Kyle Beckerman will play the defensive mids, and Dempsey is sure to be the central mid with Altidore up top. Donovan is not at his best on the left, and this is where the tension with 2018 becomes apparent. Julian Green seems destined for that left attacking mid spot. Any other option is going to be only marginally better on paper with very little upside. The same logic holds if Klinsmann deploys a 4-4-2: Who starts on the left wing if not Green? Would it be worth the minor improvement, given Green is on the fast track to being a prominent focus of 2018?
Posted on 5/24/14 at 7:55 pm to Sophandros
Why is that a good article? Numerous times it talks about the future. Who gives a frick about 2018 for the next six weeks? The present is what matters right now.
Landon's 2014 form is certainly not great, but he is light years ahead of those other guys based off what he has shown with the USMNT in most of his recent appearances. shite, Donovan looked better than Green in that game. People are forgetting about the two dangerous runs late in the game where he basically carved up most of the defense before getting stopped by their back four.
Also, what about Landon's upside that literally no one else has in our pool? If Landon can break this run of poor form (which apparently is still good enough enough to contend to start according to Donovan), then he offers way more than the options could even dream of, save 2020 version of Julian Green. Even if Landon is marginally worse than the other late options at this moment, then he is worth taking for the upside and unparalleled technical abilities alone.
Plus, it would be nice to give him a proper sendoff.
Landon's 2014 form is certainly not great, but he is light years ahead of those other guys based off what he has shown with the USMNT in most of his recent appearances. shite, Donovan looked better than Green in that game. People are forgetting about the two dangerous runs late in the game where he basically carved up most of the defense before getting stopped by their back four.
Also, what about Landon's upside that literally no one else has in our pool? If Landon can break this run of poor form (which apparently is still good enough enough to contend to start according to Donovan), then he offers way more than the options could even dream of, save 2020 version of Julian Green. Even if Landon is marginally worse than the other late options at this moment, then he is worth taking for the upside and unparalleled technical abilities alone.
Plus, it would be nice to give him a proper sendoff.
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