re: Jurgen supporters, gather here*

It's not that I want the US or Klinsmann to fail this World Cup. I just think that when we are a goal down and he subs in Green or Wondo and we loose, there are going to be alot of angry people that are going to be pissed that he didn't include one of the most clutch finishers in US history. Realisticly Donovan isn't going to get the goal every time, but hes the best option we have, and Klinsy told him to go home. Also why all this bs about "going young" when they will only really see the pitch if we already advanced or can't advance agianst Germany? All he had to do was pick Donovan and let him ride the bench. Unless he has no intentions of trying this WC and waiting until Russia, which is way worst than not picking Donovan.

I wasn't typing about you, or even this board.

Just in general. The overreaction comes off as ignorant.

I'm going to trust the guys following these players every movements, watching them in camp, having daily conversations with them.

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Yeah, because the first time he doesn't start, the media questions him about it. Now he deals with those questions now and he doesn't have to in Brazil

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I think its fair to think that, but I don't think the knowledgeable media would ask that, and I don't think the US is still at the point that the average person realizes that when a player gets older they don't play a full 90. Now, if he rides the bench and we are in a clutch situation then I think he starts to get asked questions about Donovan.

At the end of the day, I'm still behind Jurgen. Donovan's just one player.

The coaches are infallible argument always gets on my nerves, and I would figure that a Tennessee football fan would be the last guy to use it.

Everyone on this board criticized Ricardo Clark and Jon Bornstein being called in over and over again by Bob Bradley. They were right.

Every Bayern Munich fan (and video game champions like the current national team right back) criticized Klinsmann's management of the club as he did the worst job of any coach hired by them in two decades. They were also right.

I don't like Klinsmann's decision to leave Landon out, but that doesn't mean I don't support Klinsmann.

Obviously he is the coach and he knows this team and its players better than anyone, but using Klinsmann's own criteria that he gave Donovan for getting back into his good graces and rejoining the national team after his sabbatical, I'm left scratching my head wondering what Donovan did wrong.

He tore it up during the Gold Cup. (It's the Gold Cup, I know. But he was by far the best player on the pitch in all the games he played in.)

He did very well in the Hex games he played in, scoring the goal that sealed our spot in the World Cup.

He brings a veteran knowledge that is useful to the younger Americans that will face criticism from the global media during the World Cup.

He is by far our best PK and set piece threat. This is a very important piece to have.

And I just have a hard time believing he wasn't working his arse off during training to show he was still capable of playing at the top level. Has he sucked recently in the MLS? Yes. I tend to think that maybe he was waiting to get back to training with the USMNT, because the only reason he stuck around this long was for another World Cup. Perhaps that attitude is what did him in.

We don't know the whole story, and maybe Donovan simply told Jurgen he can't go 100% anymore. Maybe he's not even that upset about not making it, I don't know. We'll find out.

I still fully support Klinsmann and still believe he's the guy to take us to new heights. It is just very saddening to see the guy I wanted to be when I was younger cut from the team. I bought Landon's 2002 World Cup jersey after that tournament and wore it almost everyday. Just sucks to see one of your idols growing up have their career come to an end like this.

There are certainly plenty of posters who know their shite and not through FIFA. Wm72, crazy, Joey Barton, Hendo, and other super knowledgeable posters all fail to understand the decision.

I completely get why they fail to understand the decision. I don't understand the decision. I'm just willing to admit that I wasn't at the training camp.

Neither were any of us, but what could he have done. Maybe he beat the shite out of Jonathan Klinsmann.

I know it is not popular with everyone, but I agree with parcells treatment of giving the stars more. Donovan certainly has earned that. I hate that jk tried to make himself bigger than the players and team.

I'm willing to give our coach, who has been exceptional, the benefit of the doubt.