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Is it pretentious to call soccer "football" in America?

Posted on 2/18/16 at 3:48 pm
Posted by Downtown Devin Brown
New Orleans, LA
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Posted on 2/18/16 at 3:48 pm
I always call it soccer ... but wondering if using terms like football, boots, and pitch is considered pretentious.
This post was edited on 2/18/16 at 3:59 pm
Posted by Tigerfan7218
Baton Rouge
Member since Nov 2010
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Posted on 2/18/16 at 3:51 pm to
I had this conversation with someone, I usually call it soccer, but occasionally in conversation I'll let "football" slip in...

These days I don't think it's pretentious at all, because guess what, that's how it's presented on almost all coverage of soccer in America.


So long story short, no I don't think so
Posted by DestrehanTiger
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Posted on 2/18/16 at 4:00 pm to
I wouldn't really call anyone out on it, but I think it is sort of pretentious. Yesterday, I got messed with a bit by some non-soccer buddies when I was talking about the Dynamo and called their uniform a kit. I think all of the soccer terms have reasons why they may be pretentious or why not.

Football - Yes - Everyone in America calls it soccer since our biggest sport is football. Don't be that guy, especially the guy that calls American Football Handegg.
Pitch - No - It is said so often during games that it is very hard not to use it yourself.
Kit - Maybe
Boots - Yes. They are cleats or shoes here. The word just isn't used as often in games, so I think this may be purposeful when using it instead of cleats.

I'm blanking on more examples.
Posted by Cocotheape
Member since Aug 2015
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Posted on 2/18/16 at 4:02 pm to
I don't think it's pretentious unless you INSIST everyone use the British nomenclature and get in a huff about it

Note: these people are usually Arsenal fans (oops, sorry blokes, supporters) in my experience
Posted by StraightCashHomey21
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Posted on 2/18/16 at 4:03 pm to
When around fellow Americans who follow the game I say football bc I know we have that understanding. But around most I say soccer.

Around English people I say soccer bc when I say football they all reply you mean American Football
Posted by Downtown Devin Brown
New Orleans, LA
Member since Sep 2013
1523 posts
Posted on 2/18/16 at 4:04 pm to
I'm kind of the same way ... I find it pretentious but not anything to get worked up or upset over. But to call soccer "football" in the states is pretentious because the English (American) word for it is soccer, and to call it football means you're trying to replicate a different culture.
Posted by tigerfan88
Member since Jan 2008
9291 posts
Posted on 2/18/16 at 4:08 pm to
It's also just confusing, especially down here. Not that it's a big deal, but if people say "football," during the fall, my mind immediately goes to the NFL and college football. That's never going to change. It just creates unnecessary linguistic hoops to use the British terminology when we have perfectly good nouns over here that everyone understands.
Posted by Tigerfan7218
Baton Rouge
Member since Nov 2010
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Posted on 2/18/16 at 4:08 pm to
quote:

I don't think it's pretentious unless you INSIST everyone use the British nomenclature and get in a huff about it



I agree with this completely, I'll use the nomenclature (especially kit and pitch), but I couldn't give two shits if anyone else does... Doesn't bother me one bit
Posted by RTR America
Memphis, TN
Member since Aug 2012
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Posted on 2/18/16 at 4:16 pm to
quote:

I had this conversation with someone, I usually call it soccer, but occasionally in conversation I'll let "football" slip in...



I catch myself doing this too. It is hard when you listen to too many damn podcasts where they are calling it football
Posted by DestrehanTiger
Houston, TX by way of Louisiana
Member since Nov 2005
13682 posts
Posted on 2/18/16 at 4:17 pm to
I think an interesting one is keeper. I think it falls under the umbrella of something used so often in commentary that it just comes natural to say. Having said that, I've noticed that saying keeper gets a funny look from people who don't really watch the game. They'll say "you mean goalie right?". I played soccer for 10 years growing up and it was always goalie for us. I use the word keeper now, but I can see why some might find it pretentious if they don't watch the game a lot.
Posted by SabiDojo
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Posted on 2/18/16 at 4:31 pm to
I don't think it is. Assimilation occurs regardless. Embrace it.
Posted by Draconian Sanctions
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Posted on 2/18/16 at 4:35 pm to
Mildly pretentious but depending on the audience and circumstance is fine
Posted by Tigerfan7218
Baton Rouge
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14251 posts
Posted on 2/18/16 at 4:37 pm to
Exactly... When things get used often by media, during games, etc, it's bound to slip into use eventually.


Another perfect example that someone just posted is keeper.
Posted by Draconian Sanctions
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Posted on 2/18/16 at 4:45 pm to
I don't think keeper is the same thing really but I get your point
Posted by crazy4lsu
Member since May 2005
40042 posts
Posted on 2/18/16 at 4:45 pm to
Why is calling it soccer any more pretentious than calling it football? Soccer is actually a portmanteau of Association football, transformed from Oxford slang, with the word originally used always in the context of football, as in "soccer football" to distinguish it from rugby. The USSF originally had the football designation until it added the word soccer in 1945, not dropping football from its name until 1974. I don't know how people could think it is pretentious, as there is no pretense there at all if you call the sport by its other widely accepted name. It's just literally the other name for the sport which isn't popular in the US because there is a popular sport here that evolved from another code of football.

It shouldn't be a big deal but for some it is. I use both terms interchangeably.
This post was edited on 2/18/16 at 4:46 pm
Posted by BlueMoon
Chapel Hill, NC
Member since Aug 2007
1429 posts
Posted on 2/18/16 at 5:08 pm to
quote:

Around English people I say soccer bc when I say football they all reply you mean American Football

Try "Proper Football"
Posted by St Augustine
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Posted on 2/18/16 at 5:52 pm to
quote:

I find it pretentious but not anything to get worked up or upset over. 


Pretty much this. Honestly it's pretty easy to spot when someone is trying too hard like calling players "lads" and other stuff you'd never say growing up in the states. I think pitch is probably the one that I say all the time when referring to the field(soccer field only) because it is said so many times in any broadcast you watch....ETA just like the keeper example to me.
This post was edited on 2/18/16 at 5:54 pm
Posted by AirRaidTT
Grapevine, TX
Member since May 2008
2686 posts
Posted on 2/18/16 at 6:21 pm to
quote:

Is it pretentious to call soccer "football" in America?


No, not really. The game is called foot-ball because...the game is centered around primarily using your feet to...kick a ball.

I usually just say soccer though to avoid confusion in conversation with pretty much any American.
Posted by McCaigBro69
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Posted on 2/18/16 at 6:21 pm to
I don't think it's pretentious, but I will never call it football.

Football is what I played in college and for most of my life. I played soccer as a fun sport in the off-season growing up and in high school.

If you played both I think that makes them not interchangeable at all, but if someone says it to me I'm not going to call them out or anything.

I typically do call a soccer jersey a 'kit' though.
Posted by StraightCashHomey21
Aberdeen,NC
Member since Jul 2009
126858 posts
Posted on 2/18/16 at 6:31 pm to
quote:

Football is what I played in college

Bro come on

Did you guys have man city colors?
This post was edited on 2/18/16 at 6:32 pm
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