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Deserves own thread JUSTICE FOR THE 96
Posted on 4/26/16 at 11:36 am
Posted on 4/26/16 at 11:36 am
verdict is in... from the Echo's live blog..
quote:
• Liverpool fans were unlawfully killed;
• Fans were in no way to blame;
• There were “major omissions” in police planning and preparation for the semi-final;
• Police response to the increasing crowds at Leppings Lane was “slow and uncoordinated”;
• Errors by commanding officers contributed to the crush on the terrace;
• Commanding officers failed to recognise pens were at capacity;
• Design and layout of the crush barriers in pen three and four were not fully compliant with safety regulations;
• Ambulance officers at the scene failed to ascertain the scale of the problem and the failure to call a major incident led to delays in responses to the emergency;
• A lack of communication, coordination and command and control by police.
quote:
• Liverpool fans were unlawfully killed;
• Fans were in no way to blame;
• There were “major omissions” in police planning and preparation for the semi-final;
• Police response to the increasing crowds at Leppings Lane was “slow and uncoordinated”;
• Errors by commanding officers contributed to the crush on the terrace;
• Commanding officers failed to recognise pens were at capacity;
• Design and layout of the crush barriers in pen three and four were not fully compliant with safety regulations;
• Ambulance officers at the scene failed to ascertain the scale of the problem and the failure to call a major incident led to delays in responses to the emergency;
• A lack of communication, coordination and command and control by police.
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Posted on 4/26/16 at 11:37 am to LSUMJ
Man they are going to milk this one as long as they can.
Posted on 4/26/16 at 11:39 am to LSUMJ
Posted on 4/26/16 at 12:07 pm to LSUMJ
Crazy it took 27 years for this to happen
Posted on 4/26/16 at 12:14 pm to EastNastySwag
quote:
Man they are going to milk this one as long as they can.
Well it's done, absurd it took this long for them to do this.
Posted on 4/26/16 at 12:29 pm to EastNastySwag
quote:
Man they are going to milk this one as long as they can.
Your douchebaggery never ceases to amaze.
Posted on 4/26/16 at 12:35 pm to StraightCashHomey21
I promise I'm not trying to be controversial, I just don't have the benefit of having paid attention as this developed in recent decades.
From what I have read and heard and seen from those with more knowledge (EFC fans appear to have long stood w/ the 96), it's undeniable that the grounds, emergency responders, politicians and the like failed miserably to control the situation and respond appropriately. It also appears there were years of blaming and covering up those truths.
But to the extent today is intended to vindicate the supporters, is it:
A) a true feeling that football fans had no role in the incident; and/or
B) a response to years of denying that anyone other than the fans were responsible, including blaming the dead themselves for the tragedy?
To me, I just can't see how A) makes complete sense. I don't have any interest in "blaming" the fans for the incident, but undoubtedly the fans moving in waves to see the match (admittedly as the result of bad oversight and management) were part of the problem, no?
But, putting myself in the shoes of Liverpool fans/Liverpool residents/English football fans in general, who were initially made out to be totally at fault (supported by negligence and/or coverups), I can see how A) would feel almost like the full truth.
Thoughts? I think there are probably some cultural elements of this that are tough for me to appreciate as an outsider. I had the same feeling during the ticket price disputes this season.
From what I have read and heard and seen from those with more knowledge (EFC fans appear to have long stood w/ the 96), it's undeniable that the grounds, emergency responders, politicians and the like failed miserably to control the situation and respond appropriately. It also appears there were years of blaming and covering up those truths.
But to the extent today is intended to vindicate the supporters, is it:
A) a true feeling that football fans had no role in the incident; and/or
B) a response to years of denying that anyone other than the fans were responsible, including blaming the dead themselves for the tragedy?
To me, I just can't see how A) makes complete sense. I don't have any interest in "blaming" the fans for the incident, but undoubtedly the fans moving in waves to see the match (admittedly as the result of bad oversight and management) were part of the problem, no?
But, putting myself in the shoes of Liverpool fans/Liverpool residents/English football fans in general, who were initially made out to be totally at fault (supported by negligence and/or coverups), I can see how A) would feel almost like the full truth.
Thoughts? I think there are probably some cultural elements of this that are tough for me to appreciate as an outsider. I had the same feeling during the ticket price disputes this season.
Posted on 4/26/16 at 12:37 pm to EastNastySwag
quote:
Man they are going to milk this one as long as they can.
Yep, how dare the people who were wrongly blamed want justice.
The statement that what happened that day was tragic, what happened afterwords was criminal is what has been said since the start. Seems to have been the basis for everything up till now.
This post was edited on 4/26/16 at 12:39 pm
Posted on 4/26/16 at 1:13 pm to tsmi136
Hopefully two things happen from this.
We get safe standing sections in the top two divisions in England
And now Liverpool as a club and its fans accept responsibility for what happen to those Juve fans. Liverpool has got their closer and so should Juve.
We get safe standing sections in the top two divisions in England
And now Liverpool as a club and its fans accept responsibility for what happen to those Juve fans. Liverpool has got their closer and so should Juve.
Posted on 4/26/16 at 1:19 pm to LSUMJ
Nevermind, congrats.
This post was edited on 4/26/16 at 1:27 pm
Posted on 4/26/16 at 1:46 pm to Pettifogger
quote:
but undoubtedly the fans moving in waves to see the match (admittedly as the result of bad oversight and management) were part of the problem, no?
A) gives the families/fans closure. Everything was handled so poorly--people in the crush had no idea the area reached capacity and the fans being let into the area had no idea about the crush going on.
Also I think this allows the families to finally seek restitution from the police/govt.
Posted on 4/26/16 at 4:01 pm to TheOcean
Posted on 4/26/16 at 4:04 pm to stlslick
ESPN re-air the 30 for 30 on Hillsborough
Tonight at 8:00 ET/7:00 CT... One of the best in the series imo.
Tonight at 8:00 ET/7:00 CT... One of the best in the series imo.
Posted on 4/26/16 at 5:46 pm to Tigerfan7218
Great documentary. I didn't know too much about the whole event until I watched it about a year ago. For someone who didn't know many details it was pretty shocking stuff.
Posted on 4/26/16 at 9:00 pm to Tigerfan7218
That was sad as hell
Posted on 4/26/16 at 9:23 pm to Riseupfromtherubble
it really is, I don't personally know any of them, but I'm really happy that the families finally have a little bit of closure even though it took 27 years
Posted on 4/26/16 at 11:02 pm to StraightCashHomey21
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And now Liverpool as a club and its fans accept responsibility for what happen to those Juve fans.
I'm not really sure what the frick Heysel has to do with this, but those fans were convicted of manslaughter, along with the Belgian police and Belgian FA. On the contrary, these families had their children's name's dragged through the mud for a quarter of a century with no way to defend them or receive justice for what happened.
We get it. You hate Liverpool. Just give the sectarian shite a rest for a single day and show some respect.
Posted on 4/27/16 at 1:40 am to BleedPurpleGold
quote:
I'm not really sure what the frick Heysel has to do with this, but those fans were convicted of manslaughter, along with the Belgian police and Belgian FA. On the contrary, these families had their children's name's dragged through the mud for a quarter of a century with no way to defend them or receive justice for what happened.
Well looks like you took this the wrong way completely. My post was about getting closure ( which Juve fans clearly have not got) and healing old wounds so fans can move forward much like today. Both the tragedies had huge effects on the game in Britain and in Europe that were extremely negative. No one went to jail over what happened.
quote:
We get it. You hate Liverpool. Just give the sectarian shite a rest for a single day and show some respect.
I think the word you are looking for is tribalism.
Second nothing I said was disrespectful or out of place. Like I said its about heeling old wounds so football can move forward. Maybe if you were not so defensive about Liverpool, you could articulate what I was saying.
This post was edited on 4/27/16 at 2:42 am
Posted on 4/27/16 at 2:18 am to StraightCashHomey21
The Sun this morning keep up its par for the course of disgrace. Not even printing a story about yesterdays events 
Posted on 4/27/16 at 3:46 am to StraightCashHomey21
frick that rag... Did you see the reporter doorstep Kelvin MacKenzie yesterday? It was great video
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