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re: A soccer board referendum on Jurgen as the US' coach
Posted on 6/26/16 at 11:49 am to Col Reb is my mascot
Posted on 6/26/16 at 11:49 am to Col Reb is my mascot
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Williams is the only one who may play a role. The other 3 have 3 senior league appearances combined since 20011. How can you realistically say they should have a major contributor at the world cup.
How can you say they can't? All the guys I mentioned are at worst second choice options that are better and younger than our current second choice options, and at best are deserving of starting.
I assume you meant 3 senior USMNT appearances. It's not Villafana's, Lletget's, or Lichaj's fault that Jurgen refuses to call them in despite them being some of our best options.
This is the same coach who looked at Donovan, injured Johannsson, Brad Davis, and Chris Wondolowski and said yep, the worst of the bunch is Landon Donovan.
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Posted on 6/26/16 at 11:52 am to Col Reb is my mascot
quote:. Well then this is where we dissagree. Literally only two people I've seen that have your view. You and Jurgen.
know that it was a weak side, but we didn't have any real better options.
Posted on 6/26/16 at 11:58 am to FunkasaurusReb
Like I said in my first post, I'm probably the only person on here who doesn't view Jurgen negatively. I get frustrated with him, but in my opinion he's still done a lot for American soccer and is better than Bradly and Arenas.
Posted on 6/26/16 at 12:02 pm to Col Reb is my mascot
quote:I respect your opinion, but I could see Bradley making a come back. He has been very good everywhere he's been since leaving the USMNT. Got screwed at Egypt, and Le Harve were so close to being promoted. I hope he can get a spot in English Premiership, because he deserves it.
Like I said in my first post, I'm probably the only person on here who doesn't view Jurgen negatively. I get frustrated with him, but in my opinion he's still done a lot for American soccer and is better than Bradly and Arenas.
Posted on 6/26/16 at 12:03 pm to Col Reb is my mascot
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but in my opinion he's still done a lot for American soccer and is better than Bradly and Arenas.
What has he done as manager that's better than Bradley and Arenas?
Posted on 6/26/16 at 12:03 pm to pvilleguru
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Because they are better than fricks like Orozco, Castillo, Wondolowski, Beckerman, and Zusi.
???
I thought Zusi acquitted himself well in this tournament.
Posted on 6/26/16 at 12:09 pm to pvilleguru
Bradley:
Jurgen has a better win % with the US national team.
So far both have coached us in one world cup and both lost at the same stage.
Arenas:
Finished last in a world cup group (while sitting Dempsey and playing Ben Olson)
Jurgen has a better win % with the US national team.
So far both have coached us in one world cup and both lost at the same stage.
Arenas:
Finished last in a world cup group (while sitting Dempsey and playing Ben Olson)
Posted on 6/26/16 at 12:10 pm to Sheep
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I thought Zusi acquitted himself well in this tournament
He's fine against the Costa Ricas and Paraguays, but he's outclassed against better teams.
Posted on 6/26/16 at 12:11 pm to Col Reb is my mascot
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Finished last in a world cup group (while sitting Dempsey and playing Ben Olson)
Took us the the Quarterfinals.
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Jurgen has a better win % with the US national team.
So far both have coached us in one world cup and both lost at the same stage.
Bradley also played better competition with worse players.
Posted on 6/26/16 at 12:18 pm to pvilleguru
Bradley also went pointless in the Copa America in 2007. Won Gold Cup once in three tries (Jurgen is once in two)
Posted on 6/26/16 at 12:18 pm to pvilleguru
At best, you can say they are all equal.
Posted on 6/26/16 at 12:20 pm to Col Reb is my mascot
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Bradley also went pointless in the Copa America in 2007.
With a B team because our A team was playing in the Gold Cup the same summer.
Posted on 6/26/16 at 12:23 pm to Col Reb is my mascot
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Won Gold Cup once in three tries (Jurgen is once in two)
Jurgen won the Gold Cup because Mexico's A team was at the Confederations Cup.
Posted on 6/26/16 at 12:57 pm to Col Reb is my mascot
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No I'm just saying that none of those players would have improved our 4th place finish.
You kept saying this like this, so I'm going to rebut this in a slightly more specific way than everyone else. Colombia almost exclusively attacked Orozco's side, and it happens to be the side they scored their lone goal on in the 3rd place game. Bring in lichaj or villafana at that spot, and they aren't attacking it as easily. On top of that, Lichaj and villafana are both much better at integrating into the attack and would have put more pressure on Colombia's defense. It's entirely likely that we beat Colombia with either of these guys in for Orozco.
Meaning we finish 3rd, which is better than 4th
Posted on 6/26/16 at 1:07 pm to Broski
As I said the other day I think the World Cup play had people thinking we were further along than we really are. As mentioned the youth will take time and he will not bear the fruit of his labor, the next coach will.
I think we are a little better set-up for future play based on the way soccer has progressed over the last 5-7 years and how the MLS has actually become better.
I think we are a little better set-up for future play based on the way soccer has progressed over the last 5-7 years and how the MLS has actually become better.
Posted on 6/26/16 at 1:51 pm to tduecen
The idea that some have about "these tournaments don't really matter" is something I just can't simply get behind.
Sure, was there anything officially up for grabs at this copa? no. But it's still the best non-friendly competition we will face until Russia.
Sure, was there anything officially up for grabs at this copa? no. But it's still the best non-friendly competition we will face until Russia.
Posted on 6/26/16 at 1:57 pm to Broski
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Sure, was there anything officially up for grabs at this copa?
actually it does count as an official copa title
Posted on 6/26/16 at 1:57 pm to tduecen
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As I said the other day I think the World Cup play had people thinking we were further along than we really are.
I'd say RESULTS rather than PLAY.
Judging by play, we got our shite pushed in for 75/90 against Ghana, 45/90 versus Portugal, and 90/90 by Germany and Belgium.
That's the same - except we've expanded that to include shite CONCACAF sides as well.
But, hey, our youth teams might be good in 30 years or something.
Posted on 6/26/16 at 1:58 pm to Sheep
quote:10-15 years....
But, hey, our youth teams might be good in 30 years or something.
Posted on 6/26/16 at 2:04 pm to StraightCashHomey21
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actually it does count as an official copa title
I know, but I was talking in terms of a Confederations Cup berth. Should've been more specific.
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