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re: A soccer board referendum on Jurgen as the US' coach
Posted on 6/26/16 at 8:01 am to Sheep
Posted on 6/26/16 at 8:01 am to Sheep
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That's horseshite.
Organize defensively, bunker, counter, try to nick a goal off of a set piece is how you get points off a superior team. It's how shitty teams like Guatemala, Panama and Jamaica get points off of us.
We did none of those things.
That's probably Graham Zusi or Brad Guzan's fault, though.
Difference they have Messi who will go down as the best player ever. So it didnt' matter. The gap in talent was that large.
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Posted on 6/26/16 at 8:12 am to StraightCashHomey21
It must be Carlos Ruiz' individual brilliance that explains losing against Guatemala.
Or the superior technical ability of Duckens Nazon led the Haitians last to outshoot us almost 3:1 last summer, right?
You'd better get a back brace if you're going to carry this much water.
Or the superior technical ability of Duckens Nazon led the Haitians last to outshoot us almost 3:1 last summer, right?
You'd better get a back brace if you're going to carry this much water.
Posted on 6/26/16 at 8:27 am to Broski
I guess look at it differently.
I dont really view the player development role as the responsibility of the national team. I think the clubs should be responsible for player development.
All he needs to do is build a team that can work together.
In that respect, I put him in the middle at stagnate. He has moments of brilliance followed up by Wondolowski. The record everyone keeps bringing up 0-5-1 compared to 5-15-1 isn't really that bad. For a fair comparison he still has 15 games to win 5 and be equal.
I guess his big selling point was getting the talent to play in Europe to get them experience against the best competition. A bunch of guys went over there doing what he asks and then they don't play or aren't even called up. Also, why does he try to reinvent the wheel with player positions? I'd love to see Fabian Johnson play midfield. He looks bored playing defense and is just out there because playing is better than sitting.
He's also had a bunch of injuries that haven't helped. Altidore can sneeze and pull a hamstring, huge loss the world cup and here at copa. Johansson being out didn't help either.
I dont really view the player development role as the responsibility of the national team. I think the clubs should be responsible for player development.
All he needs to do is build a team that can work together.
In that respect, I put him in the middle at stagnate. He has moments of brilliance followed up by Wondolowski. The record everyone keeps bringing up 0-5-1 compared to 5-15-1 isn't really that bad. For a fair comparison he still has 15 games to win 5 and be equal.
I guess his big selling point was getting the talent to play in Europe to get them experience against the best competition. A bunch of guys went over there doing what he asks and then they don't play or aren't even called up. Also, why does he try to reinvent the wheel with player positions? I'd love to see Fabian Johnson play midfield. He looks bored playing defense and is just out there because playing is better than sitting.
He's also had a bunch of injuries that haven't helped. Altidore can sneeze and pull a hamstring, huge loss the world cup and here at copa. Johansson being out didn't help either.
Posted on 6/26/16 at 9:41 am to Andy Bernard
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I like him. there is no talent here. He is doing well
Spotted the dirty casual.
Congrats, we have a coach that has done less with a better player pool compared to our two previous coaches. Yet: "He is doing well."
Posted on 6/26/16 at 9:42 am to cwil177
I can understand why he thinks we have no talent when arse clowns like wondo get a start in a meaningful game. However, he is wrong because we have plenty of talent we just have a fricktard that likes using useless fricks instead of young talent
Posted on 6/26/16 at 9:47 am to StraightCashHomey21
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To be fair, it wouldn't matter what our tactics were vs them
I get this point of view, but upsets happen. We beat a Spain team that hadn't lost in 35 games, on foreign soil, with guys like Bornstein and Ricardo Clark. The second we marched out that starting lineup against Argentina, and those tactics, it was clear that an upset was not happening.
Posted on 6/26/16 at 9:48 am to cwil177
Also, Argentina was on point. We had no chance if Messi and Lavezzi are on fire.
Even with the optimal lineup and tactics, we were gonna get raped.
Even with the optimal lineup and tactics, we were gonna get raped.
Posted on 6/26/16 at 9:50 am to Vicks Kennel Club
I would prefer to get raped with the best line up possible and good tactics vs the dog shite we saw the other night. Also if the rape is going to happen at least let the young guns get some meaningful time
Posted on 6/26/16 at 9:51 am to Broski
I'm probably the only one on the board who thinks this, but progression.
In the 2 big tournaments we've played in, we tied for our best finish ever in the Copa America (while winning our group) and we made it out of our World Cup group with Germany, Portugal, and Ghana.
He's slowly integrating younger players into our team, and not having their first real start be against Argentine in a game we were always going to get blown out in.
To truly compete on a world stage, we need more talent. Jurgen and his youth development should one day put us in a position to actually compete on a world stage. And while that success will probably come 10/15 years down the road he's done more for US soccer than any of our previous coaches.
In the 2 big tournaments we've played in, we tied for our best finish ever in the Copa America (while winning our group) and we made it out of our World Cup group with Germany, Portugal, and Ghana.
He's slowly integrating younger players into our team, and not having their first real start be against Argentine in a game we were always going to get blown out in.
To truly compete on a world stage, we need more talent. Jurgen and his youth development should one day put us in a position to actually compete on a world stage. And while that success will probably come 10/15 years down the road he's done more for US soccer than any of our previous coaches.
Posted on 6/26/16 at 9:55 am to StraightCashHomey21
quote:Yes, but we didn't even get a SHOT against Argentina, much less a shot on goal.
Croatia and Portugal didn't have a shot on target until ET yesterday
Posted on 6/26/16 at 9:55 am to heartbreakTiger
If we get raped with Kitchen, Nagbe, and Pulisic in the starting lineup at least we can shrug and say "well, we got some young guys meaningful experience in a competitive game against a top team." When we start Wondo up top and still get raped, it's way more frustrating because we get nothing out of it.
Posted on 6/26/16 at 9:59 am to Col Reb is my mascot
quote:We played like shite in the World Cup. Our only decent game was against Portugal. And the group wasn't as tough as it initially looked.
we made it out of our World Cup group with Germany, Portugal, and Ghana.
This post was edited on 6/26/16 at 10:00 am
Posted on 6/26/16 at 10:01 am to Col Reb is my mascot
quote:He could have started a 25 year old that has at least 171 professional matches under his belt instead of old arse Beckerman. He also could have switched our formation up so that Wondolowski would have been unnecessary.
He's slowly integrating younger players into our team, and not having their first real start be against Argentine in a game we were always going to get blown out in.
Posted on 6/26/16 at 10:02 am to pvilleguru
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We played like shite in the World Cup. Our only decent game was against Portugal. And the group wasn't as tough as it initially looked.
All 3 teams were more talented than us, and Jurgen did what was needed to get through the group.
Posted on 6/26/16 at 10:02 am to pvilleguru
Ghana dominated us. That game was so miserable to watch. We should have brought a backup striker for Jozy (since our whole game plan revolved around a hold up striker), but we didn't. We brought an injured Johannsson and not Landon. Those two moves alone, heading into the world's biggest tournament, should make one doubt the intelligence of our coach.
Posted on 6/26/16 at 10:04 am to pvilleguru
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He could have started a 25 year old that has at least 171 professional matches under his belt instead of old arse Beckerman. He also could have switched our formation up so that Wondolowski would have been unnecessary.
And we still would have lost 4-0 and everyone here would find something else in the starting line-up to complain about. Without playing 2 forwards everyone here would be complaining about how we came out too defensive and just took it
Posted on 6/26/16 at 10:06 am to Col Reb is my mascot
quote:Ghana wasn't as good as they were in 2006 and 2010. Portugal was relying on a 50% Ronaldo. We SHOULD have beaten both of them. Instead, we beat Ghana in a game where Ghana dominated, and we drew against Portugal in a game where we were the better team.
All 3 teams were more talented than us, and Jurgen did what was needed to get through the group.
Posted on 6/26/16 at 10:06 am to Col Reb is my mascot
Not if you know anything about tactics. Playing a four man midfield instead of a five man midfield was always going to be suicide against Argentina.
We have no idea if we would have lost 4-0 with Nagbe starting instead of Wondo, so I'm not sure how you can make that assertion.
We trotted out a bad lineup with bad tactics. Try listening to some soccer podcasts by guys who watch these games multiple times and analyze soccer for a living. You might have your mind changed.
We have no idea if we would have lost 4-0 with Nagbe starting instead of Wondo, so I'm not sure how you can make that assertion.
We trotted out a bad lineup with bad tactics. Try listening to some soccer podcasts by guys who watch these games multiple times and analyze soccer for a living. You might have your mind changed.
Posted on 6/26/16 at 10:08 am to pvilleguru
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We SHOULD have beaten both of them. Instead, we beat Ghana in a game where Ghana dominated, and we drew against Portugal in a game where we were the better team.
So we SHOULD Have drawn Ghana and beaten Portugal, which still gets us through. And even with Ghana "down" from 2006 and 2010 you can't argue they still aren't more talented than us. Same with Portugal, even with relying 50% on Ronaldo they are still the more talented team.
Posted on 6/26/16 at 10:09 am to Col Reb is my mascot
I doubt we lose 4-0 considering wondo is directly responsible for one of those goals.
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