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re: Your Discomfort Means It's Working
Posted on 4/6/25 at 8:58 am to jimmy the leg
Posted on 4/6/25 at 8:58 am to jimmy the leg
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American companies are overcoming adverse conditions, which were arbitrarily allowed to be put in place by our government.
Because the situation is not as dire as you are projecting. Again this dishonesty is the flaw in your argument
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Riley Gaines tied against you and Roger’s dick chic, that doesn’t mean that she benefitted from the competition.
And the flaw in this analogy is retardation
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I’m sure drug dealers “hook up” their consumers as well. The meth-heads benefit short term.
The savings consumers received get directed to more productive areas of our economy and that is exactly why we continue to dominate economically versus the world.
What you want to do is make consumers pay more to take money away from these productive areas of our economy which will hurt our economy overall and make us less competitive versus the world.
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Keep supporting the CCP
I'm not, no matter how many times you make this lie as a central point of your argument.
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Again, you are a moron when it comes to this
Only in your fantasy world of lies and dishonesty
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Posted on 4/6/25 at 9:08 am to redneck hippie
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If you have put yourself in this position it’s no one’s fault but your own.
I agree in principle. However, these conditions did not occur in a vacuum. The concept of “free trade” is a myth. Quoting Freedman does not change reality. Globalization has simultaneously raised the quality of life, while making that standard of living unattainable without incurring debt.
Unfortunately, America has a large swath of people that are motet ham willing to rack up debt in order to live well.
However, without that debt, their quality of life would be lesser.
It’s a choice, but a poor one.
Meanwhile, China is running American companies out of business by subsidizing their companies.
Our economy is a house of cards.
The dumbasses ordering $10 coffees are running up their credit card. Our university system is bloated with high salaries, built on the backs of student loans. Yet, the schools are booming.
Our economy is largely based on debt as shown above, government handouts (more debt), and pension Ms based on investments into an over-inflated stock market. There is a reason that the boomers are shitting their collective pants right now.
The sad thing is that America has succeeded in the past 20 years despite the obstacles put in front of us, largely as a result of two things:
1. Having a service economy based on rising debt.
2. The tech boom
Fair trade would have kept more manufacturing at home, instead…China and the CCP have systematically dismantled it via IP theft, currency manipulation, and unfair trade practices (including circumventing trade restrictions by shipping their products through Canada and Mexico…you know: our “friends”).
Roger and SFP are retarded.
Trusting their take is dumb.
Posted on 4/6/25 at 9:10 am to jimmy the leg
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Keep supporting the CCP
Youre a very simple man.
Posted on 4/6/25 at 9:11 am to CollegeFBRules
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I straight up chuckled.
The problem MAGA/Trumpism is going to face is that their decision to double down and cater to the uneducated/working class means they have to fully commit to catering to the working class.
The working class HATES the educated/professional class. Just read the messaging in the OP.
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“Who is the status quo not working for?” some of you will ask me from your Porsche, driving down PCH, or from your desk overseeing your millions in the market.
This class warfare only works one way, and the educated/professional class can only pretend so long to be baw-adjacent, outside of some extreme examples (like SFP, but we won't go there). At scale, it cannot work. Labor and management do not co-exist on the same planet.
As Bunk pointed out, MAGA is shifting from Libertarian MAGA to baw MAGA. The question is if they can ever pivot back, at this point.
Posted on 4/6/25 at 9:13 am to jimmy the leg
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Our economy is largely based on debt as shown above,
Yet you thought Trumps economy in 2019 was booming.
Posted on 4/6/25 at 9:14 am to RogerTheShrubber
What, in your opinion, are the main indicators of a good economy?
Posted on 4/6/25 at 9:16 am to jimmy the leg
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Globalization has simultaneously raised the quality of life, while making that standard of living unattainable without incurring debt.
Not true. This is another lie you're using to create your defense.
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Meanwhile, China is running American companies out of business by subsidizing their companies.
Another foundational lie.
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Our economy is largely based on debt as shown above
You do realize China's debt:GDP is extraordinarily high for their shitty economic status, right? This boogeyman you've created in China is worse in the strawman you're using to argue against the US. What does that say about China in reality?
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The sad thing is that America has succeeded in the past 20 years despite the obstacles put in front of us, largely as a result of two things:
1. Having a service economy based on rising debt.
2. The tech boom
Generally having the best economy in the world, also, including the best manufacturing industry in the world overall.
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Fair trade would have kept more manufacturing at home
Based on what, other than your hopium?
As has been oft-discussed, the "fair trade" option doesn't work with the "bring manufacturing home" option. They're 2 separate and distinct goals. Like labor and management, they cannot co-exist.
Discussed at length in this thread (not made by me)
Posted on 4/6/25 at 9:18 am to SlowFlowPro
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Because the situation is not as dire as you are projecting. Again this dishonesty is the flaw in your argument
When it comes to manufacturing? Your take is the one that is dishonest.
As for the dick chic that you and Roger support:
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And the flaw in this analogy is retardation
Yes, supporting him is retarded.
The analogy is spot on. I’m sorry that you lack the intellect (or honesty) to acknowledge its accuracy.
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The savings consumers received get directed to more productive areas of our economy
Like what? Lattes at Starbucks?
Some people (the intelligent ones) benefit.
By-in-large, however, the cost of living has outpaced the savings that have been appreciated.
Our economy is built on debt, government handouts, and a house-of-cards stock market.
Yay us!
As for you supporting the CCP, you do. You may do so without intending to, but the current circumstances (which YOU support) equates to tacit approval of the CCP and their tactical, long term destruction of America.
Despite my on point analogies,
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you are STILL a moron when it comes to this
Posted on 4/6/25 at 9:22 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Yet you thought Trumps economy in 2019 was booming.
Link?
I have ALWAYS maintained that it was a house of cards. What I WILL give Trump credit for is providing an economic stimulus in low income areas. Companies relocating to impoverished areas was a catalyst for further economic development. Unfortunately, all of that was undone by FJB.
In short, the government kick starting companies that go on to remove people from the long term government dole is a wise short term investment imho.
Posted on 4/6/25 at 9:23 am to jimmy the leg
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When it comes to manufacturing? Your take is the one that is dishonest.
We're #2 in terms of raw volume and the best in terms of a total overview.
We're the best manufacturing nation in the world. Just like our economy.
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The analogy is spot on. I
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Like what? Lattes at Starbucks?
No. Higher-level manufacturing, tech, business services, etc.
High margin, valuable industries that we can export and make other countries pay for extra due to the USD's value.
Why do you want to devolve our economy to lower-level, smaller-margin output? That is THE question for all the people supporting this policy.
Why you want policies to reduce these exports for rubber dog shite, I will never understand.
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As for you supporting the CCP, you do. You may do so without intending to, but the current circumstances (which YOU support) equates to tacit approval of the CCP and their tactical, long term destruction of America.
Naw. This is just irrationality with no substance.
China's losing market share, too, to countries like Vietnam and Bangladesh. I don't konw what you're going to do without your emotional-support boogeyman, though. Relying on fewer strawmen and bad analogies, hopefully.
This post was edited on 4/6/25 at 9:27 am
Posted on 4/6/25 at 9:24 am to jimmy the leg
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Companies relocating to impoverished areas was a catalyst for further economic development. Unfortunately, all of that was undone by FJB.
How many jobs, and at what cost?
That should be easy for you to find.
Posted on 4/6/25 at 9:36 am to CollegeFBRules
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Anyone thinking about retiring just got told by Trump and the market you can kick that plan down the road, because the economy that you built your retirement on doesn’t work. Doesn’t matter that we had the best economy in the world, doesn’t matter that the middle class was thriving or that the US economy was weathering headwinds better than any other economy, we had to change it and you have to pay for it.
Here's the thing...the MAGA crowd on this board will be quick to tell you that many Americans who oppose this are too stupid to understand economics, tariffs, markets, blah blah blah, we have to endure some pain in the short term.
What they obviously don't know shite about is congressional and presidential politics.
Even if they are right about tariffs, if the market doesn't come back from $12T in losses in the next two years, Republicans in Congress will be out on their fricking asses, and JD Vance can forget about ever being President. Immigration and woke/tranny bullshite having been resolved, voters will turn on Republicans with a vengeance, especially voters 50 years and older.
Maybe Carville was right. I think he's the one who said that the Democrats' best strategy for opposing Trump is to sit back and do absolutely nothing while Trump fricks up.
Posted on 4/6/25 at 9:40 am to SlowFlowPro
You are wrong in falsely accusing me of lies.
I’m sorry that facts hurt your feelings.
I gave examples, but you choose to ignore reality.
You do you.
This is irrelevant in a state run economy. Their “debt” is what they say that it is.
I’ve given examples of this in the past. Their “host cities,” for instance, was 1/3 to 1/2 of their GDP for almost 30 years. It was largely built on “loans” from their government. The Chinese people invested heavily, owning MULTIPLE homes / condos.
When their housing market crashes, and it will, the their government will just takeover those massive developments.
They will then move displaced rural communities into them as they modernize and automate their agricultural industry.
It will allow them to have a underclass for factories, keeping them at the fore of manufacturing. It will be virtual slave labor.
Soooo, the CCP government gets housing at 10 cents on the dollar, lowers their cost of production, while allowing for free housing.
As for those that lose their investments, it is their inheritance that they lost (3 generations of wealth, as tied directly to China’s one child policy). In short, tangible assets that may as well be on paper, as they only are allowed to live in one home. Basically, they lose their “wealth,” but their standard of living will remain the same. Same home, same job, no extra homes.
The CCP has built in a “plan b” in case things go to shite. They will not just weather the financial storm, they will come out of it in a better position. As to foreign debt, they don’t give two fricks about it.
With the belt and road initiative, they are maneuvering for a world where America isn’t their primary market. As designed, the B&R will encompass 70% of the global economy excluding America.
Unlike you, they don’t think short term, they look decades down the road.
The CCP is the enemy, you just lack the awareness to realize it.
But hey, at least Roger had binoculars that will allow him to see his chic being railed by some other dude at long distances.
I’m sorry that facts hurt your feelings.
I gave examples, but you choose to ignore reality.
You do you.
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You do realize China's debt:GDP is extraordinarily high for their shitty economic status, right? This boogeyman you've created in China is worse in the strawman you're using to argue against the US. What does that say about China in reality?
This is irrelevant in a state run economy. Their “debt” is what they say that it is.
I’ve given examples of this in the past. Their “host cities,” for instance, was 1/3 to 1/2 of their GDP for almost 30 years. It was largely built on “loans” from their government. The Chinese people invested heavily, owning MULTIPLE homes / condos.
When their housing market crashes, and it will, the their government will just takeover those massive developments.
They will then move displaced rural communities into them as they modernize and automate their agricultural industry.
It will allow them to have a underclass for factories, keeping them at the fore of manufacturing. It will be virtual slave labor.
Soooo, the CCP government gets housing at 10 cents on the dollar, lowers their cost of production, while allowing for free housing.
As for those that lose their investments, it is their inheritance that they lost (3 generations of wealth, as tied directly to China’s one child policy). In short, tangible assets that may as well be on paper, as they only are allowed to live in one home. Basically, they lose their “wealth,” but their standard of living will remain the same. Same home, same job, no extra homes.
The CCP has built in a “plan b” in case things go to shite. They will not just weather the financial storm, they will come out of it in a better position. As to foreign debt, they don’t give two fricks about it.
With the belt and road initiative, they are maneuvering for a world where America isn’t their primary market. As designed, the B&R will encompass 70% of the global economy excluding America.
Unlike you, they don’t think short term, they look decades down the road.
The CCP is the enemy, you just lack the awareness to realize it.
But hey, at least Roger had binoculars that will allow him to see his chic being railed by some other dude at long distances.
Posted on 4/6/25 at 9:43 am to jimmy the leg
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You are wrong in falsely accusing me of lies.
You are lying and a lot.
Calling everyone CCP members is a childs game. Im not sure you have the ability to overcome that.
Posted on 4/6/25 at 9:43 am to Stinger_1066
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Your Discomfort Means It's Working
My discomfort means elections are lost.
Posted on 4/6/25 at 9:43 am to Stinger_1066
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Your Discomfort Means It's Working
Posted on 4/6/25 at 9:44 am to SlowFlowPro
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The savings consumers received get directed to more productive areas of our economy and that is exactly why we continue to dominate economically versus the world.
If you like analogies, here's the equivalent of what you said above. We should all buy our groceries using a fancy credit card with a 4% rebate. Then we'll reinvest that "savings" into the productive areas of our economy and it'll be a positive and will help the US have a dominant world economy. Problem is, the credit card company covers that 4% rebate by charging interest on the unpaid balance, and your grocery store gets popped with an upfront percentage fee too, which they pass on to you, the consumer.
In this analogy, the foreign seller is both our credit card company and vendor, and America is paying both the upfront charge (less domestic production) and the interest we incur from both our negligent private borrowing and our insane, rapidly accumulating govt borrowing to "stimulate" unaffordable consumption. We never pay down our credit card balance, it goes up every year and compounds exponentially. Foreign countries are the sole beneficiaries of this twin (trade/budget) deficit.
IOW, US trade deficits in conjunction with budget deficits do not net contribute to US investment or production. Just the opposite. Balanced trade where both sides produce where they have a comparative advantage, absolutely advantageous, but that's not what we do. Running twin deficits for the world for 50 years means loss of US jobs, loss of US expertise, and eventually loss of value for the US dollar.
This post was edited on 4/6/25 at 10:02 am
Posted on 4/6/25 at 9:44 am to RogerTheShrubber
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How many jobs, and at what cost? That should be easy for you to find.
Like K&B, they ain’t there no mo.
Those policies were terminated by your boy Biden.
If you are building a plane, and someone steals the wings, then you should expect to fly.
I mean, I guess you could “fly” it off of a cliff (which ironically is what you want to do the the long term American economy).
It’s a “flight” that I’m sure that you would enjoy.
Posted on 4/6/25 at 9:46 am to jimmy the leg
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Like K&B, they ain’t there no mo.
So, you really dont know, youre guessing and pretending like its fact.
Exactly what I thought.
But anytime you can produce the numbers, I can change my mind.
Posted on 4/6/25 at 9:47 am to wdhalgren
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If you like analogies
SFP doesn’t have the capacity to understand analogies. Perhaps it’s his autism.
Your analogy, BTW, was quite good.
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