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re: Youngkin: I won't stop local governments that want to impose COVID mandates

Posted on 11/18/21 at 9:50 am to
Posted by Jack Carter
Member since Sep 2018
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Posted on 11/18/21 at 9:50 am to
What if he said “ I won't stop local governments that want to impose CRT mandates”?
This post was edited on 11/18/21 at 9:51 am
Posted by Indefatigable
Member since Jan 2019
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Posted on 11/18/21 at 9:51 am to
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Businesses are one thing. The local governments are another.

Why? Governing at the most local level possible is not a bad thing. If Fairfax and Alexandria's local governments enact mandates because their constituents want them, why should Richmond stop them?
Posted by Bobby OG Johnson
Member since Apr 2015
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Posted on 11/18/21 at 10:00 am to
Tyranny is tyranny no matter who enacts it.
Posted by Indefatigable
Member since Jan 2019
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Posted on 11/18/21 at 10:05 am to
The citizens in those places want the mandates their local governments enact.
Posted by Flats
Member since Jul 2019
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Posted on 11/18/21 at 10:08 am to
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Governing at the most local level possible is not a bad thing.


I agree, but it's also not the sole litmus test for a policy. What if the local citizens decide guns are icky or that a baker must bake that cake?
Posted by goofball
Member since Mar 2015
17353 posts
Posted on 11/18/21 at 10:09 am to
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Youngkin: I won't stop local governments that want to impose COVID mandates



Don't really have an argument against this. Let those communities sort it themselves.

And let them get their asses handed to them in court.
Posted by Bobby OG Johnson
Member since Apr 2015
33509 posts
Posted on 11/18/21 at 10:11 am to
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The citizens in those places want the mandates their local governments enact.



You don't get to ignore the constitutional rights of all citizens just because it is done at a local level. Governor's job is to protect those rights.
Posted by Indefatigable
Member since Jan 2019
37352 posts
Posted on 11/18/21 at 10:18 am to
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What if the local citizens decide guns are icky or that a baker must bake that cake?

Then an impacted person in that jurisdiction (or business) will go to the federal courts with a 1983 action and get an injunction or the law struck down.

It isn't like Youngkin can get a law through the VA legislature banning mandates like other, redder states have...even if he wanted to.
This post was edited on 11/18/21 at 10:20 am
Posted by AlwysATgr
Member since Apr 2008
21009 posts
Posted on 11/18/21 at 10:30 am to
Hey, if some locales want to impose slavery what's the problem? This freedom and individual rights thingy has gone on long enough.
Posted by Flats
Member since Jul 2019
28172 posts
Posted on 11/18/21 at 10:41 am to
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Then an impacted person in that jurisdiction (or business) will go to the federal courts


Is that governing at the lowest level?
Posted by Ross
Member since Oct 2007
47827 posts
Posted on 11/18/21 at 10:42 am to
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That ship has sailed.


If you are not willing to take control you have already lost.


never call yourself a small government advocate, if you really ever believed in small government

The power dynamic ideally should be local government > state government > federal government but we do exactly the opposite in this country
This post was edited on 11/18/21 at 10:43 am
Posted by Indefatigable
Member since Jan 2019
37352 posts
Posted on 11/18/21 at 10:48 am to
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Is that governing at the lowest level?


Considering that inherently only federal courts can handle 1983 actions, and the suit would be filed in the district court where the policy took place, yes.

That is the lowest level government possible under those circumstance.
Posted by cmac5125
Baton Rouge
Member since Mar 2011
372 posts
Posted on 11/18/21 at 10:52 am to
Private business should be allowed to mandate whatever they want. If you don’t like it, take your business elsewhere. The government shouldn’t be telling the private sector what to do. But if private businesses have received governmental assistant, they are fair game.

Now if public offices are mandating such, that’s a totally different story.
Posted by Bobby OG Johnson
Member since Apr 2015
33509 posts
Posted on 11/18/21 at 10:52 am to
So you are also ok with constitutional rights being trampled on as long as it was voted on 51 to 49 by a local government.

We should only be against tyranny at the federal level?



Posted by Bobby OG Johnson
Member since Apr 2015
33509 posts
Posted on 11/18/21 at 10:59 am to
Meanwhile...


quote:

Congressman Byron Donalds
@RepDonaldsPress

EFFECTIVE IMMEDIATELY

Today, America's Governor, @GovRonDeSantis, traveled to Brandon, Florida, and officially signed into law four pieces of legislation protecting Floridians from JB's illegal vaccine mandate.

DONT TREAD ON FLORIDA!


Posted by nola000
Lacombe, LA
Member since Dec 2014
13139 posts
Posted on 11/18/21 at 11:02 am to
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Looks like a lot of people in this thread only want small government and freedom as long as it’s the small government and freedom they agree with



No. A lot of people want individuals to have freedom of choice. Local governments mandating anything does not fall in line with that.
Posted by davyjones
NELA
Member since Feb 2019
36755 posts
Posted on 11/18/21 at 11:07 am to
There are a couple of distinct differences between Florida and Virginia. In Florida, Desantis pretty much has unobstructed path to carrying out his agenda, as both the legislature and state supreme court are rather solidly in his corner in terms of those Republican majorities. On the other hand, the Republican majority legislature and supposed "Republican" majority state supreme court in Virginia are more inclined to be haters with the pushback, particularly in terms of a Desantis type agenda.
Posted by tarzana
TX Hwy 6-- the Brazos River Valley
Member since Sep 2015
32096 posts
Posted on 11/18/21 at 11:07 am to
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Maybe city of Richmond or city of Norfolk

Probably most of the independent cities (except rightwing places like Waynesboro and Galax), and Fairfax, Arlington and Loudoun counties.
Posted by Flats
Member since Jul 2019
28172 posts
Posted on 11/18/21 at 11:15 am to
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That is the lowest level government possible under those circumstance.


Unless the governor could accomplish the exact same result.

There’s nuance to this and there are valid points on both sides. I think the “if you want the governor to do this you don’t believe in small government” claim is specious and lazy, as would be the opposite claim of “if you don’t want him to do this you’re a pussy who doesn’t want to fight back”.
Posted by Indefatigable
Member since Jan 2019
37352 posts
Posted on 11/18/21 at 12:10 pm to
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There’s nuance to this and there are valid points on both sides. I think the “if you want the governor to do this you don’t believe in small government” claim is specious and lazy, as would be the opposite claim of “if you don’t want him to do this you’re a pussy who doesn’t want to fight back”.


Agreed
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