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re: You Cannot Legislate Gun Violence Away Without Ending The 2nd Amendment
Posted on 8/5/19 at 2:33 pm to LSUFanHouston
Posted on 8/5/19 at 2:33 pm to LSUFanHouston
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Most of these mass shooters likely meet the threshhold to be involuntarily committed. So let's do that.
Right. But other than the fact that you cant have a gun with you while you are committed, i see no reason to discuss whether or not mentally ill people need a separate collection of rights.
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Posted on 8/5/19 at 2:34 pm to Big Scrub TX
What's the difference between a professional cadre and a militia of the people?
Posted on 8/5/19 at 2:36 pm to Big Scrub TX
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I see nothing in here in accord with your claim that the states already had codified the individual right to bear arms.
Because you are a moron and a lazy one to boot. Several states including CT's included such phrasing and predated the US Constitution. Even cited in the majority opinion in v. Heller. Your arguments are childish and lazy...
Posted on 8/5/19 at 2:39 pm to Clames
quote:One of the states with the largest populations did not. Sounds like you're the lazy one.
Because you are a moron and a lazy one to boot. Several states including CT's included such phrasing and predated the US Constitution. Even cited in the majority opinion in v. Heller. Your arguments are childish and lazy..
Posted on 8/5/19 at 2:39 pm to LSUFanHouston
quote:Nope.
Most of these mass shooters likely meet the threshhold to be involuntarily committed.
Posted on 8/5/19 at 2:41 pm to LSUFanHouston
quote:There ya go.
No one can predict the future.
quote:To do this you have to know which ones are the “crazy people”.
I'm not looking to take guns out of people's hands. I'm looking to prevent crazy people from getting guns.
quote:This is already the case. What else ya got.
someone is involuntarily committed, that's enough of a reason to take away their ability to possess a gun.
This post was edited on 8/5/19 at 2:42 pm
Posted on 8/5/19 at 2:49 pm to Taxing Authority
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This is already the case. What else ya got.
Increase the rate of involuntary committed individuals.
Takes away from these individuals the ability to own a gun, without taking away the right to own a gun.
Solve the problem without any new gun laws.
Next!
This post was edited on 8/5/19 at 2:52 pm
Posted on 8/5/19 at 2:50 pm to LuckyTiger
My husband and I were talking about this yesterday. He is an avid hunter and we both have concealed carry licenses. We agreed that we would be open to some new regulations IF such legislation would actually be effective in preventing these types of mass shootings. We can’t think of any restrictions that would do so.
Then consider that these shootings have happened in Paris and other gun restricted locations. Add to that the acid attacks, knife attacks and bombings that happen when a determined person doesn’t have a gun.
There just isn’t any legislation that can stop a determined crazy person from doing harm other than outlawing any large groups of people anywhere.
Then consider that these shootings have happened in Paris and other gun restricted locations. Add to that the acid attacks, knife attacks and bombings that happen when a determined person doesn’t have a gun.
There just isn’t any legislation that can stop a determined crazy person from doing harm other than outlawing any large groups of people anywhere.
Posted on 8/5/19 at 2:51 pm to Hester Carries
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i see no reason to discuss whether or not mentally ill people need a separate collection of rights.
People who are truly mentally ill, generally cannot meet the definition of being able to legally consent.
All manner of rights in this country hinge upon the ability to legally consent.
If an individual is not of legal mind enough to take care of themselves, I have no problem saying that individual should not be allowed to own a gun.
Posted on 8/5/19 at 3:02 pm to LSUFanHouston
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All manner of rights in this country hinge upon the ability to legally consent.
Consent to what?
Posted on 8/5/19 at 3:06 pm to Hester Carries
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Consent to what?
Sign legal documents, etc.
Posted on 8/5/19 at 3:08 pm to LSUFanHouston
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Sign legal documents, etc.
You are born with rights. The US government then agrees to not take them away.
You need to consent to them not taking away your rights?
Posted on 8/5/19 at 3:14 pm to Hester Carries
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You are born with rights. The US government then agrees to not take them away.
You need to consent to them not taking away your rights?
Does a child have the same list of rights as an adult?
No, because children lack certain mental capacities. The same applies to mentally insane individuals.
Posted on 8/5/19 at 3:18 pm to LSUFanHouston
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Does a child have the same list of rights as an adult?
No, because children lack certain mental capacities. The same applies to mentally insane individuals.
You understand the difference here, right?
Objective vs. subjective parameters.
Posted on 8/5/19 at 3:21 pm to LSUFanHouston
quote:How do you find them? In stead of “stop and fris” shall we have “stop and psychologic exams”? You act like involuntary commit is difficult. In most states it’s not. Keeping people committed is, tho.
Increase the rate of involuntary committed individuals.
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Solve the problem without any new gun laws.
as you coming to understand it’s not that we lack laws. There’s simply no way to enforce such laws in civil, open, and free society. This post was edited on 8/5/19 at 3:24 pm
Posted on 8/5/19 at 3:21 pm to Hester Carries
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You understand the difference here, right?
Objective vs. subjective parameters.
The legal system does not differentiate. Go ask anyone who has ever been involved in a contested will due to lack of mental capacity to make/modify a will.
There is a system in which a person can be declared mentally incompetent. This includes for mental health reasons. Anyone who is deemed mentally incompetent should not be allowed to possess firearms.
I believe a better mental health system would result in more crazy people being declared mentally incompetent, thus, restricting their right to have firearms. It would be even better if all such individuals were committed.
Posted on 8/5/19 at 3:22 pm to LSUGrrrl
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My husband and I were talking about this yesterday. He is an avid hunter and we both have concealed carry licenses. We agreed that we would be open to some new regulations IF such legislation would actually be effective in preventing these types of mass shootings. We can’t think of any restrictions that would do so. Then consider that these shootings have happened in Paris and other gun restricted locations. Add to that the acid attacks, knife attacks and bombings that happen when a determined person doesn’t have a gun.
Exactly.
And therein lies the problem.
Any legislation brought forward WILL NOT prevent gun violence and mass shootings. So when we have the next mass shooting after any legislation, and we will have one, there will be more calls for more legislation because the last legislation didn’t go far enough.
So we pass a second round of gun control legislation. And when we have the next mass shootings, and we will have them, there will be even more calls for even more gun control legislation because gun control still doesn’t go far enough to stop gun violence.
And so on, and so on...
Posted on 8/5/19 at 3:23 pm to Taxing Authority
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How do you find them? In stead of “stop and fris” shall we have “stop and psychologic exams”?
you must not be familiar with how mental health exams work. When the police are called and the coroner handles a mental health hold and examination, etc.
All of these things are already in place. There needs to be more funding to expand their use.
Doesn't affect the rights of non-crazy people. Will likely reduce these events. Win, win.
Posted on 8/5/19 at 3:24 pm to LSUFanHouston
quote:Already is.
I have no problem saying that individual should not be allowed to own a gun.
Posted on 8/5/19 at 3:27 pm to Taxing Authority
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Already is.
Exactly, which is something I'm saying I agree with.
Expand on that.
Doesn't require seeing the future or any new laws. Just use the evaluation system we have currently in place. That system is not efficient because it is not properly funded.
If a person is deemed no longer crazy enough, their rights are restored and they are sent home from the crazy farm.
This isn't hard.
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