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re: Wuhan Institute of Virology Created COVID-19-Like Virus In 2007
Posted on 3/29/20 at 9:18 am to Upperaltiger06
Posted on 3/29/20 at 9:18 am to Upperaltiger06
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I work with viruses and my lab does these sort of experiments. This doesn’t proof at all COVID-19 was engineered as a bio weapon.
Just saying
This. Odds are strongly in favor this virus naturally evolved. This isn’t a James Bond movie.
I agree in general, but it’s concerning they are finding ways to make non-human viruses become human viruses.
Just seems like a matter of time before something goes wrong.
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Posted on 3/29/20 at 9:27 am to NC_Tigah
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=J6VEYzwSdZU
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https://www.sciencealert.com/genome-analysis-of-the-coronavirus-suggests-two-viruses-may-have-combined/amp
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Coronavirus Update: Dr Paul Cottrell:
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Stefan Molyneux interviews Dr Paul Cottrell about the looming health, financial and economic effects of the #coronavirus pandemic. How long will it last, and what should you do to prepare? www.the-studio-reykjavik.com/ Dr Paul Cottrell is a researcher in chaos theory and has interests in modeling financial markets. Some have considered him a polymath of sorts. Born in Detroit, Michigan he has extensive professional experience in engineering and design. After retiring from automotive engineering he pursued interests in corporate finance involving the publishing, retail, and non-profit industries. He currently is a proprietary trader specializing in currency and energy markets. In addition to modeling financial markets, his research interests are in developmental economics, behavioral finance, complexity science, energy industry, risk management, and the uses of artificial intelligence in trading financial markets. He has been awarded a Ph.D. specializing in finance from Walden University. He has also earned a M.B.A. and B.S. from Wayne State University. Engineering certificates from Massachusetts Institute of Technology (M.I.T.) have also been awarded to him. Dr. Cottrell is currently at Harvard University as an ALM candidate specializing in Biology and has completed the Pre-Medical program at Fordham University.
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https://www.sciencealert.com/genome-analysis-of-the-coronavirus-suggests-two-viruses-may-have-combined/amp
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Coronavirus Could Be a 'Chimera' of Two Different Viruses, Genome Analysis
Suggests ALEXANDRE HASSANIN, THE CONVERSATION 24 MARCH 2020
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In addition, these genomic comparisons suggest that the SARS-Cov-2 virus is the result of a recombination between two different viruses, one close to RaTG13 and the other closer to the pangolin virus. In other words, it is a chimera between two pre-existing viruses. This recombination mechanism had already been described in coronaviruses, in particular to explain the origin of SARS-CoV. It is important to know that recombination results in a new virus potentially capable of infecting a new host species. For recombination to occur, the two divergent viruses must have infected the same organism simultaneously. Two questions remain unanswered: in which organism did this recombination occur? (a bat, a pangolin or another species?) And above all, under what conditions did this recombination take place?
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Alexandre Hassanin, Maître de Conférences (HDR) à Sorbonne Université, ISYEB - Institut de Systématique, Evolution, Biodiversité (CNRS, MNHN, SU, EPHE, UA), Muséum national d'histoire naturelle (MNHN).
Posted on 3/29/20 at 9:28 am to NC_Tigah
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Odds are that if a natural CV19 reservoir exists at all, it is at least duplicated behind the walls of virus research facilities in vicinity of the initial outbreak.
Is your assertion that that if....IF the epicenter of the Wuhan outbreak was the lab doing research on a naturally generated outbreak, then that is open season for you to make up whatever insidious motive you want?
How on earth is the natural sourcing of the virus irrelevant to this thread claiming they flat out artificially generated it.
Why don’t you just come out and admit you don’t know how to do it, but you are gonna find some way to find malfeasance with the Chinese.
Posted on 3/29/20 at 9:31 am to NC_Tigah
Created in a Chinese lab funded by Bill Gates and Soros and aided by American scientists/traitors
Posted on 3/29/20 at 9:35 am to BobBoucher
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I agree in general, but it’s concerning they are finding ways to make non-human viruses become human viruses.
Agreed
But here are the safeguards done: you have a virus culture that has critical genes deleted. You coinfect the cell culture with a separate bit of genetic material allowing for a single generation to occur.
Even if you contaminated yourself with this virus, it can’t replicate in cells. It’s missing critical genes.
In the unlikely event that recombination inserts the separate genetic material into the main viral genome, you use a very non contagious base virus.
In this case, HIV.
They were NOT tweaking live coronavirus to see what happened as NC_Tigah seems to think.
Again, this isn’t mad scientist work, but a fundamental technique used globally.
This post was edited on 3/29/20 at 9:37 am
Posted on 3/29/20 at 9:39 am to Volvagia
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They were NOT tweaking live coronavirus to see what happened as NC_Tigah seems to think.
So are you stating that this was impossible?
Or
Are you stating that you trust the Chinese to follow proper protocol?
Lastly, and a serious question...not a trolling question, does / has the Chinese government provided any funding for the lab that you work at?
Posted on 3/29/20 at 9:43 am to NC_Tigah
quote:As large as the planet is... that would be one hell of a coincidence that a random genetic mutation occurred in the exact same place. I’m not sure those odds are even calculable.
The question is whether it is a leaked product of one of their two Wuhan bioresearch labs. One of those labs, the Wuhan Center for Disease Control and Prevention, just happens to be located 280 meters from the infamous Hunan Seafood Market.
Posted on 3/29/20 at 9:46 am to jimmy the leg
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So are you stating that this was impossible?
Impossible to be human generated? No. I’m just saying zero evidence for it has been presented. And the clutching at straws since January doesn’t help the case. It reads at Twitter skimmers trying to make their “facts” fit into reality rather than let reality determine the facts.
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Are you stating that you trust the Chinese to follow proper protocol?
Well it kinda defeats the point of publishing a peer reviewed paper if you didn’t do what you said you did. They leave themselves to being called out as incompetent if someone else follows their instructions and doesn’t get the same results.
I’m not blindly assuming they followed a global protocol. The paper states exactly what they did in esoteric hyper detail.
92 other research papers, most of whom not based in China, used this as a foundation of their own research.
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Lastly, and a serious question...not a trolling question, does / has the Chinese government provided any funding for the lab that you work at?
Nope. Don’t even work in a lab anymore and when I did the funding was NSF, DARPA(ZOMG CONSPIRACY!), and Pfizer.
This post was edited on 3/29/20 at 9:52 am
Posted on 3/29/20 at 9:51 am to RCDfan1950
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take out Trump's Base.
I have heard this from leftist sites several times - not saying you are a leftist. I just don't get it. Other than causing a halt to the massive rallies, what has this done to his base?
His approval ratings are up with the the way he has handled this and the daily press briefings (which the panicked media is now boycotting). If anything, it takes out a lot of lefties in the massive sheep pins line NYC.
I guess, any that do die will keep voting democrat, and Trump supporters who die will then vote democrat, so maybe you are right.
Posted on 3/29/20 at 9:51 am to Volvagia
quote:CORONA VIRUS IN THE BAT RESERVOIR DOES NOT!
1) SARS has predominant ACE2 activity. It’s not unique, and therefore not an obvious sign of artificial tampering.
That is the whole concept of the article. It is the rationale for the experiments.
Bat coronavirus is not normally transmissible to humans, yet Chinese bats were the SARS vector. The Chinese felt burned by its SARS association. They've been studying vector associated corona mutagenesis ever since.
A Chinese laboratory assigned to identify the next potential SARS-type outbreak would first gather known potential vectors, including bats. Then it would assess modifications/mutations enabling human transmissibility like those which arose spontaneously in SARS.
The OP laid out means to do that.
Posted on 3/29/20 at 10:06 am to NC_Tigah
Wuhan Institute was playing with COVID and bats since at least 2007.
COVID accidently gets out into Wuhan.
China immediately freaks out and shuts down everything (because they knew exactly what they were dealing with).
China lies to save face.
COVID accidently gets out into Wuhan.
China immediately freaks out and shuts down everything (because they knew exactly what they were dealing with).
China lies to save face.
Posted on 3/29/20 at 10:11 am to NC_Tigah
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CORONA VIRUS IN THE BAT RESERVOIR DOES NOT!
Sure it does.
Again, you are making it clear that you didn’t understand the paper.
They made 5 cell test host lineages containing ACE2 genes from different sources: human, rat, bat, mouse, and civet.
They then showed the observed activity between a SARS like virus isolated from bats against these 5 species.
And did so again with tweaks, illustrating how easily it could make the jump into humans.
Note that I’m not arguing the validity of the experiment here.
But Corona virus in the bat reservoir must certainly does use ACE2, no matter how many caps and bolded letters you use. The question is how to make the jump to human ACE2. Or did you think we had a monopoly on it?
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A Chinese laboratory assigned to identify the next potential SARS-type outbreak would first gather known potential vectors, including bats. Then it would assess modifications/mutations enabling human transmissibility like those which arose spontaneously in SARS.
The OP laid out means to do that.
This is true. But no where did they create a “COVID-19-Like Virus” or even the framework for it. Making the title a lie.
At most you can say they recreated SARs
This post was edited on 3/29/20 at 10:18 am
Posted on 3/29/20 at 10:19 am to RougeDawg
quote:That is the element which was always out of sync here. The secrecy, the banning of coverage, banning of the CDC, banning of medical cooperation, banning of the WHO to a remote location, etc. is all a very odd reaction to a spontaneously occurring environmental pathogen.
China lies to save face.
In line with TA's "coincidence" postulate, there is an old saying:
“When you hear hoofbeats in the hallway, think first of horses, not zebras. . . . . unless you live in the zoo.”
Wuhan with its two bioresearch facilities involved in coronavirus experiments appears to be "a zoo".
This post was edited on 3/29/20 at 10:21 am
Posted on 3/29/20 at 10:22 am to Volvagia
quote:quote:Sure it does.quote:CORONA VIRUS IN THE BAT RESERVOIR DOES NOT!
SARS has predominant ACE2 activity. It’s not unique, and therefore not an obvious sign of artificial tampering.
Again, you are making it clear that you didn’t understand the paper.
As SARS is a human disease, I presumed in responding to your SARS observation that you knew you were referring to human ACE2, not bat enzyme. Obviously, I shouldn't have made that presumption.
This post was edited on 3/29/20 at 10:52 am
Posted on 3/29/20 at 10:26 am to IslandBuckeye
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I had read the 2015 piece in Nature where they had created the chimeric version.
That article was removed from search engines. You can still find it if you search...articles by Declan Butler 2015.
Posted on 3/29/20 at 12:28 pm to Northwestern tiger
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This doesn’t proof at all COVID-19 was engineered as a bio weapon.
I don't think anyone said it was engineered as a bioweapon. It didn't need to be. It needed two things -
1. To exist.
2. To become no longer in containment.
#1 is hard and #2 is easy. The article says that the hard part happened in 2007 or earlier. Maybe the easy part happened in 2019?
Posted on 3/29/20 at 12:34 pm to Volvagia
This true, but the takeaway from this article shows that they confirmed efficacy of an insert to change a virus to be able to bind to ACE2.
If they did it here, I wonder what else they put that insert into and just didn’t publish it
If they did it here, I wonder what else they put that insert into and just didn’t publish it
This post was edited on 3/29/20 at 12:34 pm
Posted on 3/29/20 at 12:51 pm to Diamondawg
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So why on earth would someone thinks it’s a good idea to manipulate a virus to make it invasive to the human body via the ACE2 protein? Just to prove it could be done?
If you wanted to develop a biological weapon, these are the sorts of things you'd be doing.
Posted on 3/29/20 at 1:26 pm to Volvagia
quote:Your feigned stupidity (I assume it's feigned) is getting tiresome.
How on earth is the natural sourcing of the virus irrelevant to this thread
If CV19 was not produced through a bioweapons effort, but rather study of natural mutation within its bat vector, various strains from infected bats would be obtained and housed for research in the Wuhan facilities. Covid-19 would be but one of those.
BTW, the range of CV's most common vector, Horseshoe Bats, does not seem to extend as far northwest as Wuhan.
Posted on 3/29/20 at 1:28 pm to NC_Tigah
Is this not a weapon of mass destruction?
The US has gone to war to fight WMDs and will do so in the future to protect citizens.
The US has gone to war to fight WMDs and will do so in the future to protect citizens.
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