re: WSJ: Banning Diesel Exports a bad idea

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This right here is the real truth.

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I'm fairly certain that ethanol is keeping price of gasoline down.

The biggest renewable diesel plant is at Norco, owned by a subsidiary of Valero. Trainloads go mostly to CA. It's not the old biodiesel but is molecularly change animal and vegetable fats/oils turned into similar to diesel. I would be willing to be bulk price is cheaper than bulk ULSD right now

Also, WSJ doesn't understand than kerosene/jet fuel is often blended into diesel to achieve ULSD, also as price of diesel is higher than jet is sold into diesel.

Some refineries don't even sell kerosene/jet, they blend it into diesel constantly.

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If that is the case why was d 3 bucks last year in the north east. Did Hochul and Mamdami shutdown pipelines in the last 12 months.

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Pipelines go to near DC. New England has imported gasoline, diesel, jet fuel and LNG for years. It's cheaper that way. The shutdown of Hovensa at St. Croix cut off the gasoline, diesel and jet fuel shipped to the NE as well as Hess' supply of cat cracker feedstock for its major cat cracker across from NYC and all of the gasoline and diesel it provided. 75,000 BPD.

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"We can't send the diesel to the midwest, northeast, and California, but we can send it overseas!!"

Does anyone honestly believe this? If we can get it to other countries, there is a way to transport it throughout this one.

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Transportation is cheaper in foreign flag ships than truck or rail by a lot.

Hawaii gets crude oil from the Middle East, not Alaska partly for this reason.

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Hawaii gets crude oil from the Middle East, not Alaska for partly for this reason.

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Hawaii makes sense. The northeast and midwest doesn't.

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I'm pretty sure that is NE and California. not the Midwest which has plenty of refining capacity

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I'm just going off of what the WSJ article says:

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But there’s not enough pipeline capacity to move the diesel in the Gulf Coast that is normally exported to the Northeast and California, or for that matter to significantly boost flows to the Midwest. A ban on exports would increase global diesel prices, which would smack Americans living in coastal areas that rely on imports.

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The person who wrote that piece is a moron.

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Well of course the Chyna Street Journal would say this

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Yep, just like those noted TDS assholes Chris Wright and Doug Burgum, it's always OMB with those guys

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Trump's backing of a diesel export ?ban puts ?him at odds with his own energy officials, who warn it could raise fuel prices on the coasts and tighten supplies for European allies.
Energy Secretary Chris Wright told a Daily Caller event last week a ban would lead to a glut of diesel in the US Gulf Coast and prompt US refiners to cut production rates, which would quickly reduce gasoline production. "If you start putting barriers on flows, pretty quickly you will reduce the production, and you'll have less supply. We need more supply, not less supply," Wright said.

Doug Burgum, the US interior secretary, said ?that a ban would be unlikely to lower ?petroleum prices and could lead to retaliatory measures ?by energy exporting countries, which states like California rely on for some of their energy.

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So it's a Democrat made problem that there aren't enough pipelines to California, the Midwest, and Northeast? That's what I'm reading. I'm fine with stopping the blending requirements for sure, but we also need more pipelines ASAP.

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Regardless, you seem to have confused refining capacity with pipeline capacity.

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Nope. If it can be transported on a container ship, it can be transported in our country.

Your lack of ability to reason, or the WSJ editorial board's lack of ability to reason, does not make my ability to reason flawed.

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I think in this example there is not enough pipeline capacity to send it across the country but it is easy enough to load a tanker on the gulf coast. The Jones Act adds limitations on domestic tankers as a poster described in another thread.

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Waivers to this act are available. If Trump were to ban diesel exports, it would almost certainly be for a reason that would allow for such waivers.

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Transportation is cheaper in foreign flag ships than truck or rail by a lot. Hawaii gets crude oil from the Middle East, not Alaska partly for this reason

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Not to mention it is very difficult to drive a truck or train from Alaska to Hawaii