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re: Would one of you “end the fed” Baws explain to me what would replace it?

Posted on 6/3/24 at 6:43 pm to
Posted by tide06
Member since Oct 2011
16916 posts
Posted on 6/3/24 at 6:43 pm to
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This would destroy us globally. You can't just tell these other nations that they will never get paid.

We owe $35T today and Biden just proposed a budget bigger than what we had during Covid.

The CBO predicts we will owe $50T within 10 years.

We collect $5T in revenue every year.

We paid $800B in debt service last year (2.5% of GDP) and they predict we will pay $13T in debt service alone over the next 10 years.

Does anyone expect the world to continue to subsidize a $1.8T / year deficit in the face of China/Russia attempting to move away from the dollar as a reserve currency?

If the CBO is correct and we hit $1.3T in debt service by 2034 and our projected revenues are $6T, how would we support those payments even if the global market does maintain status quo.

The question isn’t whether you think it’s ideal to restructure our debt and switch to an asset backed currency. It’s what happens when we inevitably cannot pay them back even if we wanted to.

As for the question of how an asset backed currency whether single or multiple commodity based could work, it was how the US backed its currency from the Civil War until 1933 when FDR pulled out the rug during the Great Depression so they could begin printing more money to subsidize his massive government spending initiatives.

You take gold, silver and proven oil or other assets into an audited reserve and print money relative to its assessed market value.
This post was edited on 6/3/24 at 6:44 pm
Posted by thelawnwranglers
Member since Sep 2007
40472 posts
Posted on 6/3/24 at 6:47 pm to
We just got back on the golf standard like that could happen lol


Or like fist money hasn't been great for us

I ask end the Feds baws what is replacement on wallsyreetsilver reddit


They have no clue what a diaster it would be
Posted by LookSquirrel
Old Millville
Member since Oct 2019
7514 posts
Posted on 6/3/24 at 6:51 pm to
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You take gold, silver and proven oil or other assets into an audited reserve and print money relative to its assessed market value.


What assets, currently could we use to service that debt and avoid default? Do "assets" include "US"?
Posted by LookSquirrel
Old Millville
Member since Oct 2019
7514 posts
Posted on 6/3/24 at 6:54 pm to
Be honest Did you have to close one eye to type that?

Posted by GetmorewithLes
UK Basketball Fan
Member since Jan 2011
20982 posts
Posted on 6/3/24 at 10:20 pm to
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The system is broken beyond repair. When you bail out people who have failed with the treasury, you rig the system for investors and bankers.


I keep hearing this with reference to the 2008 crash. Who got bailed out? I know of companies that got loaned money who had to pay it back. I know of companies that got bought up for 10 cents on the dollar. And there was Shearson Leeman that no buyer was willing to buy and hence failed.

After all the whole fiasco was created by the govt by pushing mortgages on people who could not afford them and allowing the salicious trading of mortgage backed securities that were very weak quality…
Posted by saintsfan1977
Arkansas, from Cajun country
Member since Jun 2010
8903 posts
Posted on 6/3/24 at 10:42 pm to
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The question posed is WHATS THE SOMETHING ELSE?


Bartering and then eventually a system backed by gold. Holding people accountable for 1. The US Constitution is a pretty good road map. The entirety of the federal govt need to be scrapped and rebuilt. Every aspect of it.
This post was edited on 6/4/24 at 1:10 am
Posted by Jake88
Member since Apr 2005
75252 posts
Posted on 6/3/24 at 11:49 pm to
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regular people bc they just spend too much money and won’t save
This isn't untrue.
Posted by Dex Morgan
Member since Nov 2022
2669 posts
Posted on 6/3/24 at 11:59 pm to
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This would destroy us globally. You can't just tell these other nations that they will never get paid.


Yes, we can.
Posted by Westbank111
Armpit of America
Member since Sep 2013
3702 posts
Posted on 6/4/24 at 12:28 am to
THE FEDERAL RESERVE ACT IS THE BIGGEST FINANCIAL SCAM ON THE USA, AND IS NOT EVEN CLOSE!

originally 1st meeting in 1910 on Jeckyll Island owned at that time by JP JEWELS MORGAN.

they tried to pass in 1911-1912, passing it thru as if it was to protect the american people from the Big Banks etc etc… a LAW that the big banks aka Khazarian Banking Cartel where there we reps from the Rothschilds, Rockefeller, J.P. Morgan and 2 Congressmen (the sponsor was Senator Aldrich from Rhode Island i believe)?

the meeting was so high profile that each rep
had to go in disguise on the trains etc…because at that time, if the media would have seen these players meeting at the same tome, people would have known something was up.

they reshaped and renames it after it was shot down, and it passed on “Congress Christmas Break” in 1913 by Woodrow Wilson.

On Woodrow Wilson’s death bed was quoted saying & I paraphrase “the greatest sin and damage i’ve done to my fellow countrymen was signing the Federal Reserve Act”.

signed in 1913, then came the IRS, the Great Depression, Social Security (mega ponzi scheme- nothing more, nothing less), the New Deal etc…

and just about every other war (MIC laundering, country rebuilding & KING MAKING), housing bubbles (fannie mae, freddy mac 2008), the reason we scratch our heads and ask “why are we giving billions to
some craphole country in Africa that’s run by warlords) well it’s because they either have dismons, minerals, oil etc…in their land. the warlord and his minions live like kings. the poor people living in tents and bathing in their own urine, poverty stricken and then the International Banking Cartel sends in the Int’l Contractors to go in there and strip their land, and then kickback deposits into the politicians offshore accounts that voted for the spending bill to send to that country to begin with.

the SAME FEDERAL RESERVE that forces bad loans for the bailouts. Then they loan out $9 for every single $1 on deposit at the banks and receiving high interest on loans on MONEY THAT DOES NOT EVEN EXIST!

so if like 8% of the physical cash in deposits was taken out on a given day. the money wouldn’t even be there & the FED would have to print more money to bail out the banks.

so to answer your your QUESTION, it needs to be abolished, anything would be better except for CBDC’s, which is what they are replacing it with ONCE THEY COLLAPSE THE USD$$ and it is coming rapidly.

here is a link, watch a video by the author or better yet, read the book & then talk to your neighbor & it will blow your socks off!

once i read this in the 2007 era, i don’t even watch the news anymore, it unravels the big picture and it all makes sense and will scare the shite out of you how devious these mf’ers are!!!

LINK
Posted by RCDfan1950
United States
Member since Feb 2007
37262 posts
Posted on 6/4/24 at 4:46 am to
It’s all about CONTROL and the acquisition of POWER. God gives its children the power to choose their ultimate reality. Evil muddies the waters of Truth to control the choice. Don’t ever underestimate the powers of Evil or that of its disciples in this universe.
Posted by Aubie Spr96
lolwut?
Member since Dec 2009
43278 posts
Posted on 6/4/24 at 5:13 am to
Here’s what you are looking for:

Mises Case Against the Fed
Posted by POTUS2024
Member since Nov 2022
20943 posts
Posted on 6/4/24 at 5:19 am to
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We owe $35T today and Biden just proposed a budget bigger than what we had during Covid.

The CBO predicts we will owe $50T within 10 years.

We collect $5T in revenue every year.

We paid $800B in debt service last year (2.5% of GDP) and they predict we will pay $13T in debt service alone over the next 10 years.

Does anyone expect the world to continue to subsidize a $1.8T / year deficit in the face of China/Russia attempting to move away from the dollar as a reserve currency?

If the CBO is correct and we hit $1.3T in debt service by 2034 and our projected revenues are $6T, how would we support those payments even if the global market does maintain status quo.

The question isn’t whether you think it’s ideal to restructure our debt and switch to an asset backed currency. It’s what happens when we inevitably cannot pay them back even if we wanted to.


My point is that you can't dismiss the debt and tell other nations they are not getting paid. That would destroy us in the global economy. But your greater point here about the debt expansion leading to collapse is also true. We must pay our debt and we must stop increasing the debt, stop increasing gov spending, etc. These things will destroy the nation, and that seems to be the purpose.
Posted by POTUS2024
Member since Nov 2022
20943 posts
Posted on 6/4/24 at 5:25 am to
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I sometimes find it humorous to think how those who believe that gold will be the future standard of 'money' will feel when those 'damn' computers figure out how to assemble the molecules that make Gold, and Gold becomes ubiquitous.

I'm not sure the computers are going to figure out how to make atoms like that and the process required to do so will probably be insanely expensive.

quote:

Humanity (at least this time period/recorded history version) truly are embarking on a heretofore unequalled adventure. And as Musk aptly points out, "it will be heaven" for the common folk. The pertinent issue at hand is how or whether we can handle the Power that surely is to come.


There will be no heaven at the end of this rainbow of transformation - it will be subjugation.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
282046 posts
Posted on 6/4/24 at 6:10 am to
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would actually take the mafia running the government over what we have currently it would be more honest.


And efficient. They have competition, out system is a monopoly.

Wealthy people love the status quo, now. They cry like bitches too in a year or so.

Wealthy people sold out to the system which is why they tend to vote for more dysfunction. They deserve to lose it all.
This post was edited on 6/4/24 at 6:12 am
Posted by Tchefuncte Tiger
Bat'n Rudge
Member since Oct 2004
60710 posts
Posted on 6/4/24 at 6:14 am to
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Last night I was at my moderate neighbor’s house. And she was all above the fray, per usual gettin all “both sides”


These people are truly the worst.
Posted by HailToTheChiz
Back in Auburn
Member since Aug 2010
51997 posts
Posted on 6/4/24 at 7:00 am to
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Independent of what?


The political arm
Posted by POTUS2024
Member since Nov 2022
20943 posts
Posted on 6/4/24 at 7:00 am to
Just for some clarity, the Fed doesn't really do anything regarding our debt. When we have a deficit, our Treasury sells bonds and other items so that money is given to the Treasury to fund operations. In return the Treasury agrees to pay a certain amount back at a later date. Also, funds are input to the Treasury based on future revenue that comes in, like Social Security, because for a long time more revenue came in via Social Security, than was going out - that surplus condition was and is used to justify inputs to the Treasury based on future revenue via Social Security taxes.

The Fed does not buy Treasuries in order to prop up or finance our debt. Also it does not buy them from the Treasury. It only buys them from private entities. The Fed is supposed to prevent bank runs, keep employment high, and keep inflation low, as well as serve as the lender of last resort. It also has some payment intake functions like collecting Social Security taxes and it has some regulatory functions on banks. The Fed doesn't affect our debt financing but it affects the money supply and thus our economy.

What the Fed does when it buys Treasuries is put money into the economy. If a bank buys Treasuries (or any private entity), the Fed can buy them. Generally the Fed buys them from banks and the Fed now owns that treasury as one of its assets and the bank gets money, which is generally put into their reserves - and this is where fractional reserve banking comes into play. Banks are only required to keep a certain percent of your deposits on hand. They take the other part and loan it to other people - this is a great stimulus to the economy, allows the bank to earn some money and allows you to earn money on your deposits.

The way the Fed can cause a lot of problems though is to put money into the economy through fractional reserve banking and its purchases of treasuries. It's common to only require banks to hold 10% of your deposits. The rest can get loaned out. Here is how the inflation hammer is born: the amount of money (in theory) that actually goes into the economy is far greater than the amount spent by the Fed due to fractional reserve practices. The lower the reserve rate (amount banks must keep on hand) the more money is "created". You take 1/reserve rate and multiply that by the initial deposit amount, and that is the amount, in theory, that actually ends up in the economy.

If the Fed purchased $100B in treasuries from banks you would get $1T in the economy, if the reserve rate was 10%.

When you look at the extreme power of the Fed to manipulate the money supply through purchases, being lender of last resort (like in 2008), dictating interest rates and so forth, and the lack of transparency, it's a dangerous entity.

The Fed used to have a little under $1T in assets iirc. It now has close to $8T in assets as it pumped enormous amounts of money into the economy during the last recession and then during covid. So those bonds and other items it bought became its assets - these are items that we have to pay back to the Fed via the Treasury at a later date. My understanding is that - If we were to get rid of the Fed or just transform it to an entity to prevent bank runs, we could likely invalidate the assets the Fed has and take $8T or so off of our future liabilities that we must transfer from Treasury to the Fed as those assets mature.
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
131219 posts
Posted on 6/4/24 at 8:53 am to
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what would replace it?
The US Treasury, independent and independently insured banks, and a fixed currency would replace it.

There isn't really a need to speculate about the US economy sans Fed though. A litany of interesting nonfiction books target the latter 19th century (gold std). Inevitably, even if their subject focus is not economic, they touch on societal economic effects of the gold standard. e.g., several McKinley Biographies including the two W J Bryant campaigns are excellent.

Studying that period gives one a fascinating glimpse into an alternate economic universe. It's not a particularly appealing view btw.

Simplifying (over-simplifying) the topic, in our floating currency (fiat) world, productivity is determinant of GDP . Alternatively, in a fixed-currency world, reserves (gold, silver, commodities) determine the monetary size of GDP.

So in a fiat economy, (discounting economies of scale, mkt pressures, etc) doubling productivity at a fixed unit price doubles revenue. In a fixed-currency economy, doubling productivity within a fixed currency pool (reserve) doesn't impact revenue, but halves the per unit price.

Increased productivity (production of more units) breaks down two ways. (1) More units produced per worker, or (2) more workers producing more units. In a fixed economy, #1 results in harder work for the same worker pay. #2 results in less pay per worker. In theory, a cut in pay proportional to a cut in cost of goods leaves workers no worse for the wear. In actuality, psychology paints a different picture as no one wants a cut in salary even if cost of living is proportionately reduced or more. Nor do folks take kindly to working harder for the same pay. Those were elements driving major worker unrest in the late 19th - early 20th century.

Effects on trade are equally interesting. In a fixed currency world, exporters accumulate reserve assets. Importers shed them, putting more pressure on domestic pay and pricing. Consequently in the past, heavy international tariffs were employed to discourage imports and partially counterbalance their effects.

Our national debt, and deficit prohibit any serious consideration of return to the gold standard. But, aside from that, eliminating economic manipulations associated with the fed, and casting aside associated market effects, those are some of the impacts.
This post was edited on 6/4/24 at 8:55 am
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