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Would it Change Your Opinion if Israel Did Help Create Hamas?
Posted on 6/14/25 at 10:31 pm
Posted on 6/14/25 at 10:31 pm
I dv'd a certain poster the same as the rest of you.
I also read a bit of what she linked and watched a Ron Paul clip she posted that supported the headline notion.
I think even if it's true, what's going on today is far beyond the imaginings of times long past.
But... if it is true, does it cause anyone here to reconsider the current conflict? I don't think it does for me, but wanted to throw the question out there for debate.
I also read a bit of what she linked and watched a Ron Paul clip she posted that supported the headline notion.
I think even if it's true, what's going on today is far beyond the imaginings of times long past.
But... if it is true, does it cause anyone here to reconsider the current conflict? I don't think it does for me, but wanted to throw the question out there for debate.
Posted on 6/14/25 at 10:33 pm to SallysHuman
Take a look at some of the things the US government is responsible for. Law of unintended consequences and things that were secretly intended. I'm worried about the people, not the governments. The people are the ones that suffer.
Posted on 6/14/25 at 10:34 pm to SallysHuman
Remember when ISIS apologized to Israel?
Posted on 6/14/25 at 10:36 pm to SallysHuman
I spend literally zero minutes of my day pondering anything about israel
I dare you to do the same.
I dare you to do the same.
Posted on 6/14/25 at 10:37 pm to Old Money
quote:
Remember when ISIS apologized to Israel?
I do not understand the reference.
Posted on 6/14/25 at 10:38 pm to YumYum Sauce
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I spend literally zero minutes of my day pondering anything about israel
I dare you to do the same.
I only loosely follow, just found a nugget that seemed worthy of discussion.
Posted on 6/14/25 at 10:40 pm to SallysHuman
Hamas is an offshoot of the Islamic Brotherhood, Israel did not create Hamas. Under Bibi's government they did use Hamas as a tool to fracture the ties between palestinians in Gaza and in the West Bank, to make a 2 state solution unviable
Posted on 6/14/25 at 10:40 pm to SallysHuman
then you cant be changed
that is about as treacherous and back handedly dishonest as a government can get
effectively attacking its own citizens with violent effect
this jives perfectly with the suspicions that they are completely responsible for the October 23 attacks
which, conveniently; they stopped release of the report just before they went full genocide against babies children and innocents in GAZA
What a spectacle of pure assed evil.
that is about as treacherous and back handedly dishonest as a government can get
effectively attacking its own citizens with violent effect
this jives perfectly with the suspicions that they are completely responsible for the October 23 attacks
which, conveniently; they stopped release of the report just before they went full genocide against babies children and innocents in GAZA
What a spectacle of pure assed evil.
Posted on 6/14/25 at 10:43 pm to FriendofBaruch
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then you cant be changed
what are you even talking about?
I'm here to discuss... sometimes minds do get changed. I don't even know what point you're trying to make for crying out loud.
Posted on 6/14/25 at 10:46 pm to GeauxBurrow312
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Under Bibi's government they did use Hamas as a tool to fracture the ties between palestinians in Gaza and in the West Bank, to make a 2 state solution unviable
Correct
Israel will employ any tactic possible to help them with their ethnic cleansing and settlement efforts.
Posted on 6/14/25 at 10:46 pm to SallysHuman
quote:I sometimes don't read the post titles either... but this one is YOUR post title
then you cant be changed
what are you even talking about?
I'm here to discuss... sometimes minds do get changed. I don't even know what point you're trying to make for crying out loud.
"Would it Change Your Opinion if Israel Did Help Create Hamas?"
and also from you, "if it is true, does it cause anyone here to reconsider the current conflict? I don't think it does for me"
then to my "....then you can't be changed"
due to the incredible view that despite anything they do, as treacherous as the thing discussed, you'll just go along business as usual
It is even simpler than the time it took to respond tp you
This post was edited on 6/14/25 at 10:51 pm
Posted on 6/14/25 at 10:47 pm to FriendofBaruch
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FriendofBaruch
I'm still not reading you clearly.
Instead of coming at me with both barrels, why not just talk about it?
Posted on 6/14/25 at 10:49 pm to Powerman
Incorrect
You do know that Israel gave Gaza back, and removed all settlement from the city just a couple decades ago, right?
Just like they pulled back from Egypt, Syria, Jordan and Lebanon with a couple exceptions (East Jerusalem and Golan Heights)
If they wanted to ethnic cleanse, the death toll would be significantly higher and the war in Gaza would have ended over a year ago
You do know that Israel gave Gaza back, and removed all settlement from the city just a couple decades ago, right?
Just like they pulled back from Egypt, Syria, Jordan and Lebanon with a couple exceptions (East Jerusalem and Golan Heights)
If they wanted to ethnic cleanse, the death toll would be significantly higher and the war in Gaza would have ended over a year ago
Posted on 6/14/25 at 10:50 pm to FriendofBaruch
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then you cant be changed
Her stance has changed drastically since these discussions began. At first she was dismissive bc what I said shattered her illusions. However, the difference is that she seeks the truth and is willing to admit she was wrong when she sees the truth.
Not many of us out there who have no qualms changing their stance when they learn things that contradict the propaganda we were fed.
Posted on 6/14/25 at 10:51 pm to SallysHuman
I'm going to bed, I'll leave this thread here to simmer and *hopefully* spur discussion. See you peeps on the morrow! 

Posted on 6/14/25 at 11:16 pm to SallysHuman
Your schtick is bad and you should feel bad
Posted on 6/15/25 at 12:09 am to SallysHuman
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Would it Change Your Opinion if Israel Did Help Create Hamas?
Well, since DIMs have infiltrated the Republican party as RINOs and I still support Trump if Israel had an op in creating Hamas, and the fanatics overthrew the op leaders, it still wouldnt change my mind
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For years, the various governments led by Benjamin Netanyahu took an approach that divided power between the Gaza Strip and the West Bank — bringing Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas to his knees while making moves that propped up the Hamas terror group.
The idea was to prevent Abbas — or anyone else in the Palestinian Authority’s West Bank government — from advancing toward the establishment of a Palestinian state.
Posted on 6/15/25 at 12:11 am to SallysHuman
I don't even know what Hamas is - just one of the many muzzie groups that wants to kill infidels
Posted on 6/15/25 at 4:11 am to SallysHuman
We created osama bin ladin, lee harvey oswald, and thomas crooks, we knew Japan was going to bomb pearl harbor, and evidence that we knew about 9-11, we also developed a virus that killed millions just to win an election.........does that change your mind about the US govt?
At least Israel thought they were picking the lesser of two evils.
At least Israel thought they were picking the lesser of two evils.
Posted on 6/15/25 at 4:43 am to trinidadtiger
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We created osama bin ladin, lee harvey oswald, and thomas crooks, we knew Japan was going to bomb pearl harbor, and evidence that we knew about 9-11, we also developed a virus that killed millions just to win an election.........does that change your mind about the US govt?
If you really believe this shite you are nutty as those in power in Iran. They need to be completely destroyed. And you need to think deeply about the events you mention above because you are 100% wrong.
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