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AggieHank86
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Worst Historical Disaster — Civil War or Second Great Awakening?
The two events are demonstrably the historical underpinnings of the modern nanny state in this country. Which was worse from a politicoo-historical perspective?

Without the Second Great Awakening, there would have been no Abolitionist movement, and we might thus have avoided the Civil War.

Without the Second Great Awakening, there would have been no Prohibitionist movement, and we might thus have the disaster of the 18th Amendment and the legacy of organized crime left in its wake.

Without the Second Great Awakening, there would likely have been no War on Drugs, and the legacy of mass incarceration which arose from IT.

Even the welfare state can be traced at least in part to roots in.the Second Great Awakening.

I submit that the SGA may even have been a worse disaster for this country then the Civil War.


SammyTiger
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re: Worst Historical Disaster — Civil War or Second Great Awakening?
Wouldn’t we still have slavery though?


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re: Worst Historical Disaster — Civil War or Second Great Awakening?
Women’s suffrage as far as where we are today, on the list would also be entering WW1, which caused WW2.

When we entered WW2 on the side of the Soviet Union and Red Chinese we sealed the fate of a hundred million dead, very sad.


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re: Worst Historical Disaster — Civil War or Second Great Awakening?
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Wouldn’t we still have slavery though?


No


SammyTiger
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re: Worst Historical Disaster — Civil War or Second Great Awakening?
You don’t think some abolitionist movement is necessary?


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re: Worst Historical Disaster — Civil War or Second Great Awakening?
For conversation, I’d say reconstruction but i guess that could fall under civil war.


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re: Worst Historical Disaster — Civil War or Second Great Awakening?
Removing property ownership and tax-paying qualifications from voting is what will do us in.


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NC_Tigah
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re: Worst Historical Disaster — Civil War or Second Great Awakening?
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Second Great Awakening?
Are you a Third Great Awakening denier? Because the TGA would seem to align more with the OP.


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re: Worst Historical Disaster — Civil War or Second Great Awakening?
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Worst Historical Disaster


9/13/2013


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re: Worst Historical Disaster — Civil War or Second Great Awakening?
Our involvement in the two world wars probably overshadows that by a good bit. Had we not gotten involved in the First World War, the European powers could probably have come to a more rational peace than Versailles and avoided the second.

Had we not gotten involved in the second, Hitler would have likely had a good bit of success attacking soviet Russia and the Bolsheviks would not have been able to successfully undermine our institutions.


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re: Worst Historical Disaster — Civil War or Second Great Awakening?
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Worst Historical Disaster


The Democrat Party


Crazy Diamond
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re: Worst Historical Disaster — Civil War or Second Great Awakening?
The election of Barack Obama.

8 years of the enemy within holding the most powerful position in the nation.

Record numbers on welfare and food stamps.
Arab Spring.
Fast and Furious
Warmonger.
Set race relations back 50 years.
Corruption on a scale never before seen.
Islam allowed to get a foothold in America.
Slowest economic growth in our history.


tiggerthetooth
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re: Worst Historical Disaster — Civil War or Second Great Awakening?
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Wouldn’t we still have slavery though?



Yes. Aggiehank is baiting people to come out in favor of slavery.


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Ace Midnight
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re: Worst Historical Disaster — Civil War or Second Great Awakening?
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Wouldn’t we still have slavery though?



Of course not - on its own, slavery would have died as an institution no later than the 1880s or, perhaps, the 1890s. It was already becoming increasingly unfeasible, economically. Although the process was agonizingly slow, Southerners were losing their stomach for the obvious and undeniable (and horrific) abuse going on, particularly on larger holdings in the Cotton Belt.

Once cotton production was more mechanized, slavery simply wouldn't have been something affordable. Slaves had to be housed, clothed and fed from birth until working age, which was typically 12 to 14 and full production wouldn't have been expected until around 20. Middle aged slaves typically had fairly drastic decreases in production and had to, likewise, be housed, clothed and fed until death.

So, in addition to being an abject moral depravity, it would have become an unprofitable and unsustainable practice within 20 to 40 years after the Civil War anyway.


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re: Worst Historical Disaster — Civil War or Second Great Awakening?
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we entered WW2 on the side of the Soviet Union and the Red Chinese

Get a grip, bro. Are you suggesting that entering the war on the side of Nazi Germany and Tojo's Japan was a viable option?


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re: Worst Historical Disaster — Civil War or Second Great Awakening?
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For conversation, I’d say reconstruction


Very good answer.


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TrueTiger
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re: Worst Historical Disaster — Civil War or Second Great Awakening?
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Wouldn’t we still have slavery though?


John Deere would have made them obsolete.


SammyTiger
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re: Worst Historical Disaster — Civil War or Second Great Awakening?
People say this but we still love cheap labor.

Using slaves for agriculture would have not been profitable after a while but factories?

Coal mining?

And I guess my point is that SOME KIND of abolitionist movement would have had to happen.


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re: Worst Historical Disaster — Civil War or Second Great Awakening?
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Get a grip, bro. Are you suggesting that entering the war on the side of Nazi Germany and Tojo's Japan was a viable option?


Didn’t suggest that but on the whole communism was the greater threat.


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re: Worst Historical Disaster — Civil War or Second Great Awakening?
The Civil War is the greatest disaster to ever befall this country and likely will be until we collapse like Rome...as we inevitably will. It ripped our country in two and engendered a bitterness that, in some quarters, exists to this day.

Running a close second would be 9/11...not so much for the event itself (although that was bad enough) but for the far-reaching effects it had which will likely hasten the aforementioned collapse.
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