Worst Historical Disaster — Civil War or Second Great Awakening?

Women’s suffrage as far as where we are today, on the list would also be entering WW1, which caused WW2.

When we entered WW2 on the side of the Soviet Union and Red Chinese we sealed the fate of a hundred million dead, very sad.

You don’t think some abolitionist movement is necessary?

Removing property ownership and tax-paying qualifications from voting is what will do us in.

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Worst Historical Disaster

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9/13/2013

The election of Barack Obama.

8 years of the enemy within holding the most powerful position in the nation.

Record numbers on welfare and food stamps.
Arab Spring.
Fast and Furious
Warmonger.
Set race relations back 50 years.
Corruption on a scale never before seen.
Islam allowed to get a foothold in America.
Slowest economic growth in our history.

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Wouldn’t we still have slavery though?

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Of course not - on its own, slavery would have died as an institution no later than the 1880s or, perhaps, the 1890s. It was already becoming increasingly unfeasible, economically. Although the process was agonizingly slow, Southerners were losing their stomach for the obvious and undeniable (and horrific) abuse going on, particularly on larger holdings in the Cotton Belt.

Once cotton production was more mechanized, slavery simply wouldn't have been something affordable. Slaves had to be housed, clothed and fed from birth until working age, which was typically 12 to 14 and full production wouldn't have been expected until around 20. Middle aged slaves typically had fairly drastic decreases in production and had to, likewise, be housed, clothed and fed until death.

So, in addition to being an abject moral depravity, it would have become an unprofitable and unsustainable practice within 20 to 40 years after the Civil War anyway.

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For conversation, I’d say reconstruction

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Very good answer.

People say this but we still love cheap labor.

Using slaves for agriculture would have not been profitable after a while but factories?

Coal mining?

And I guess my point is that SOME KIND of abolitionist movement would have had to happen.

The Civil War is the greatest disaster to ever befall this country and likely will be until we collapse like Rome...as we inevitably will. It ripped our country in two and engendered a bitterness that, in some quarters, exists to this day.

Running a close second would be 9/11...not so much for the event itself (although that was bad enough) but for the far-reaching effects it had which will likely hasten the aforementioned collapse.