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re: Worst Historical Disaster — Civil War or Second Great Awakening?
Posted on 12/21/19 at 7:18 pm to SammyTiger
Posted on 12/21/19 at 7:18 pm to SammyTiger
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The point is Hitler killed millions as well at basically the same pace of not a significantly faster one.
This isn't even close. Communism bathed in the blood of Russian Christians. It was a purposeful genocide of such magnitude that was never heard of and will likely never happen again. It would have been impossible for Hitler to be anywhere close to what you claim as there was only 16 million in the whole world, with roughly five million in german occupied lands. Jews have already admitted holocaust claim of killing non jews was made up to make people more empathetic to them. As far as the rest of the official numbers, they have all been altered down too as time goes on. The holocaust is the only genocide proven by finding camps full of people. Any tard would realize if they were trying to kill people and the war was lost they would have just bombed every camp, but instead there were millions of survivors.
and just in case you can't figure out what bankers he's talking about, it was US bankers, our bankers. We helped pay for the annihilation of Russia and its people.
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Posted on 12/21/19 at 7:19 pm to SammyTiger
As soon as Hitler was finished we should have kept going and ended Stalin. We could have done it. We had nukes in late 1945 and could have smashed his massed tank armies .
Indeed, we should have listened to Patton and rolled all the way to Moscow. We could have ended the USSR while blockading Japan, starving them out with a naval blockade into 1946 or even 1947, there was no hurry.
Then we deal with Chairman Mao, strangling communism before it ever starts. No Korea. No Vietnam. No Cold War. No Yalta fricking up the Middle East (I hope).
Indeed, we should have listened to Patton and rolled all the way to Moscow. We could have ended the USSR while blockading Japan, starving them out with a naval blockade into 1946 or even 1947, there was no hurry.
Then we deal with Chairman Mao, strangling communism before it ever starts. No Korea. No Vietnam. No Cold War. No Yalta fricking up the Middle East (I hope).
This post was edited on 12/21/19 at 11:50 pm
Posted on 12/21/19 at 9:27 pm to Boatshoes
quote:You could argue that WW1 was a huge bad move.
Our involvement in the two world wars probably overshadows that by a good bit. Had we not gotten involved in the First World War, the European powers could probably have come to a more rational peace than Versailles and avoided the second.
WW1 Germany wasn't Nazi's, they were a growing industrial powerhouse with a government a lot more similar to ours than the Brits were. Britain was itching to slap them down, before the Germans passed them by. They weren't at fault either, they supported an ally whose leader was assassinated.
If we didn't share a language and cultural heritage with the Brits, I could see us joining against the Brits instead.
The results of that left the tragedy that was postwar Germany, and led to the Nazis. Imagine all the scientific advances that came out of Germany, but with a strong, stable and prosperous republic instead of what it was becoming. I think the Marxist movement would have pissed out, the continent would be stable, and we'd be about 100 yrs more advanced now.
Posted on 12/21/19 at 9:36 pm to AggieHank86
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Without the Second Great Awakening, there would have been no Abolitionist movement, and we might thus have avoided the Civil War.
We would have had no Civil War with many other things coming to fruition, and that’s after the second great awakening. Policies and presidents during that time were terrible.
Posted on 12/21/19 at 9:47 pm to Boatshoes
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Our involvement in the two world wars probably overshadows that by a good bit. Had we not gotten involved in the First World War, the European powers could probably have come to a more rational peace than Versailles and avoided the second.
Jesus, dude. Crack open a history book now and again.
Posted on 12/21/19 at 10:38 pm to AggieHank86
Kook.
Posted on 12/22/19 at 12:30 am to zatetic
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Jews have already admitted holocaust claim of killing non jews was made up to make people more empathetic to them.
Lol and here I was trying to have a conversation.
Posted on 12/22/19 at 4:07 am to SammyTiger
Never heard that one before. Geez.
Posted on 12/22/19 at 4:54 am to AggieHank86
You've got to go back even more. For me, it starts with the Enlightenment. I believe the Enlightenment was a good thing, because it kind of put some ideas in our Founding Fathers' heads, so we got independence out of that. Then, France erupts in their own revolution (due a lot to the success of ours). Napoleon stabilizes France, but then starts fricking shite up all through Europe. Alliances formed to stop him, but borders had been shifted and nationalism immediately began to rise. Meanwhile, mini-revolutions erupt across Europe and the United States goes to war with itself. Europeans send people to observe the tactics we're using to kill each other and they take it back with them. Suddenly, Italy becomes a country. Germany becomes a country. Several small (but deadly) wars are fought. Then boom... Gavrilo Princip fires two shots that start the nastiest war the world had ever seen, until 20 years later. But in the meantime, people partied themselves into poverty and the government got bigger. They started taking more of our money and they've never looked back.
Posted on 12/22/19 at 5:06 am to SCLibertarian
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income tax, the creation of the Federal Reserve, the direct election of Senators and the idea of public healt
Progressivism was a good thing, no? Aside from the 16th Amendment- The robbery that is the Federal Income Tax and the failed 18th Amendment, what is bad about it? What is bad about the 17th Amendment, which gives us the right to elect our Senators instead of having them appointed by sometimes corrupt politicians? The 19th Amendment is linked to Progressivism, but shouldn't women have the right to vote? And shouldn't it have been granted even earlier than 1920? The idea of public health? I like the idea of public health and the Pure Food and Drug Act and the Meat Inspection Acts of 1906 were a good start to that. Also, necessary labor rights came out of the Progressive Era. We can all be thankful for most of the things that came out of that time. Granted, its success has paved the way for the idiots trying to change things now, but it was 100% necessary at the time.
Posted on 12/22/19 at 5:18 am to SammyTiger
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You don’t think some abolitionist movement is necessary?
Slavery would have ended in the US without a war.
Posted on 12/22/19 at 5:29 am to SammyTiger
quote:No
Wouldn’t we still have slavery though?
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