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Workers own the means of production. How would this work?
Posted on 3/9/21 at 8:03 pm
Posted on 3/9/21 at 8:03 pm
How would a bunch of plant haws possibly agree on ideas to keep a business moving forward without leadership?
The whole idea of not having ownership is laughable.
The whole idea of not having ownership is laughable.
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Posted on 3/9/21 at 8:05 pm to Eli Goldfinger
if you get into the knitty gritty with a communist about this, they'll just tell you that you need to read more in a condescending tone
Posted on 3/9/21 at 8:07 pm to Eli Goldfinger
Theoretically they would be stockholders and would hire a suit to worry about the business decisions.
Can work for one company. Can't work on a national level.
Can work for one company. Can't work on a national level.
Posted on 3/9/21 at 8:10 pm to Eli Goldfinger
Oh yeah...the old left libertarian commie ideals. Unions and workers owning the factories.
None can tell you how it works. They'll just tell you to get more "educated."
None can tell you how it works. They'll just tell you to get more "educated."
Posted on 3/9/21 at 8:10 pm to Eli Goldfinger
I remember a Pomp podcast a year ago or more talked about decentralized or CEO-less organizations.
Sounds great in theory.....but it would almost have to be a group of individually owned LLCs with the right incentive structure set up to keep mutual trust between everyone.
It would have to be low capital business though. Banks would be hesitant to loan to such a loose group in total. Forget going public with that structure.
But it would be awesome.
Sounds great in theory.....but it would almost have to be a group of individually owned LLCs with the right incentive structure set up to keep mutual trust between everyone.
It would have to be low capital business though. Banks would be hesitant to loan to such a loose group in total. Forget going public with that structure.
But it would be awesome.
Posted on 3/9/21 at 8:14 pm to Eli Goldfinger
Did they buy the means of production? Did they all pool their money to create a means of production? Are we supposed to take ownership away from the people who did risk their capital and give it to workers who risked nothing?
Posted on 3/9/21 at 8:16 pm to Eli Goldfinger
My employees would be lost without me. They don't think further than their noses.
Posted on 3/9/21 at 8:20 pm to Eli Goldfinger
Dumb people think this would work because 10 people own a bakery in San fransisco and it works for them.
And the ones that push this don't understand the risk and liability involved.
And the ones that push this don't understand the risk and liability involved.
This post was edited on 3/9/21 at 8:26 pm
Posted on 3/9/21 at 8:29 pm to SlowFlowPro
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if you get into the knitty gritty with a communist about this, they'll just tell you that you need to read more in a condescending tone
While excusing the putrid history of communist and socialists regimes saying things like “they didn’t do it right” or “that wasn’t socialism, what the Nordic countries are doing is socialism”.
These people disrespect history, and are truly ignorant and cult-like. Their new thing is social-libertarian or something like that.
Posted on 3/9/21 at 8:30 pm to Bestbank Tiger
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Theoretically they would be stockholders and would hire a suit to worry about the business decisions.
Kind of like a board of directors hires a CEO lol
Posted on 3/9/21 at 8:34 pm to Dawgwithnoname
consider the current federal government. the workers own the operation and are currently setting direction. there is no president/ceo
Posted on 3/9/21 at 8:35 pm to Eli Goldfinger
Pahahahaha in reality the working half would immediately want to fire the lazy half and then it would turn into an absolute shite show.
If you need a real life scenario think 35 year old still living at home eating potato chips and drinking your beer while you go to work each day.
If you need a real life scenario think 35 year old still living at home eating potato chips and drinking your beer while you go to work each day.
Posted on 3/9/21 at 8:36 pm to Eli Goldfinger
It has never brought prosperity to the people in the history of the world yet the mentally ill filth want to do it again.
Posted on 3/9/21 at 8:40 pm to Eli Goldfinger
ask the USSR how that worked
Posted on 3/9/21 at 9:21 pm to Eli Goldfinger
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Workers own the means of production. How would this work?
Why, my good lad, it would work very well indeed. As a matter of fact it has worked for centuries, if not millennia! The workers have ALWAYS owned the means of production.
Simply put, the poor, crazy bastard who decided to start a business worked his arse off to create it and make it work. Thus he is a worker. Also, he is the owner. Ergo, the workers own the means of production.
This post was edited on 3/9/21 at 9:22 pm
Posted on 3/9/21 at 9:34 pm to SlowFlowPro
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if you get into the knitty gritty with a communist about this, they'll just tell you that you need to read more in a condescending tone
You can ask them how folks got to be factory managers in the Soviet Union, but then you realize they haven't read anything at all, except propaganda.
Posted on 3/9/21 at 9:35 pm to Bestbank Tiger
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Theoretically they would be stockholders
So, folks who work for Coca-Cola, GM, GE, etc., aren't stockholders and can't be?
Strange...
Posted on 3/9/21 at 9:43 pm to Bestbank Tiger
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Theoretically they would be stockholders and would hire a suit to worry about the business decisions. Can work for one company. Can't work on a national level.
There are really a lot of companies that operate this way, and some of them are very successful. Fender music company was/is owned by employees and I know of several big trucking companies that are in this kind of partnership. I don't know exactly how it works, but the employees are still just mostly employees, but are paid with some stock?
Posted on 3/9/21 at 9:47 pm to CheEngineer
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Pahahahaha in reality the working half would immediately want to fire the lazy half and then it would turn into an absolute shite show.
I envision many an arse-whoopin taking place on the jobsite.
Posted on 3/10/21 at 7:21 am to Eli Goldfinger
Look at Ben and Jerry’s, they pay their employees well, they care about the environment, not everything is about profit. Ben and jerry are probably rich but not “more money than someone could spend in 100 lifetimes” rich. Maybe we can find a middle ground between the Walmart billionaires employees are on food stamps subsidized by tax dollars and the socialist government owns everything.
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