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Posted on 3/8/26 at 12:08 pm to Wednesday
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Thanks to him we have
1- The IRS
2- The UN
3- The Direct Election of Senators
Don't forget the Federal Reserve.
Posted on 3/8/26 at 12:10 pm to TrueTiger
quote:I understand that, but not seeing how that leads into no USSR.
The Bolsheviks surrended to Imperial Germany in 1918.
Without the Central Powers losing after the Treaty of Brest, you'd have a USSR with a smaller footprint in Eastern Europe, but the USSR would still hold the -stans and Caucasus.
Posted on 3/8/26 at 12:14 pm to Wednesday
“D” is all you need to know. His Fourteen Points was the first globalist BS.
Posted on 3/8/26 at 12:16 pm to Murph4HOF
I'm thinking the German Empire would have signed a treaty with France and England and survived without taking France.
An intact Germany would have kept the the USSR from becoming the spreading cancer it became and it would have likely fallen apart much sooner than it did.
Posted on 3/8/26 at 12:19 pm to PrattvilleTiger
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how did the Senators used to happen? Governors appointed them?
State legislatures did. This was intended to insulate senators from the pressures of pandering to individual voters like they do now. Legislatures would be damn aware of the history of what the senator had actually done and accomplished for the state and it's people.
Posted on 3/8/26 at 12:20 pm to TrueTiger
quote:Maybe. The Germans were dealing with a lot of their own Commies even before the Treaty of Versailles.
An intact Germany would have kept the the USSR from becoming the spreading cancer it became and it would have likely fallen apart much sooner than it did.
I'm a bit of a nerd on WW1 and alternative history, but I've never considered an ending to WW1 that involved the Central Powers winning but the Bolsheviks staying in power. I have to think the Germans considered it though, since they sent Lenin to Russia and signed the Treaty of Brest.
Posted on 3/8/26 at 12:25 pm to Wednesday
I'd rather deal with traffic after work during daylight hours, however, I'd also rather "they" stick w/one or the other. As for the UN, what has it contributed to world peace? And the IRS, another dept. created to bleed us dry not only to tax us but to fund it's operational costs. Personally "less is best" when talking about any government agencies and esp. those that seem to have major issues "keeping track" of tax dollars spent.
Posted on 3/8/26 at 12:42 pm to Murph4HOF
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but I've never considered an ending to WW1 that involved the Central Powers winning but the Bolsheviks staying in power.
I don't know if it would be an outright win by the Central Powers. Probably France, and England would have signed a stalemate treaty. Everyone was pretty much spent.
Posted on 3/8/26 at 12:46 pm to TrueTiger
quote:I interpreted the Central Powers "winning" as Germany gaining Belgium, the territorial changes of Brest-Litovsk, and the German, Austro-Hungarian, and Ottoman Empires surviving.
I don't know if it would be an outright win by the Central Powers. Probably France, and England would have signed a stalemate treaty. Everyone was pretty much spent.
Probably some small trading of colonial possessions, in addition to the Congo being controlled by Germany.
Anyways, it's interesting to ponder. Glad to have the mental exercise.
This post was edited on 3/8/26 at 12:48 pm
Posted on 3/8/26 at 12:49 pm to Murph4HOF
I suppose that would have been a technical win but probably a disappointment considering the cost.
Still, far, far, better than what they wound up with.
Still, far, far, better than what they wound up with.
Posted on 3/8/26 at 12:50 pm to Wednesday
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DAYLIGHT SAVINGS TIME
No “s” at the end of “saving”.
Posted on 3/8/26 at 1:02 pm to TrueTiger
quote:From the German POV, I'd be satisfied with it. Gaining a substantial chunk of continental territory with Belgium and eastern Europe, the Congo would have connected Nigeria to Tanzania forming a coast to coast African presence, and keeping the Central Powers together.
I suppose that would have been a technical win but probably a disappointment considering the cost.
It would be interesting to have seen if a post-WW1 Imperial Germany would have had the same problems with non-German speakers that Austria-Hungary did.
But yeah, that's a hell of a lot better than what resulted from Versailles for Germany.
This post was edited on 3/8/26 at 1:03 pm
Posted on 3/8/26 at 1:04 pm to Wednesday
He was the worst president in our country's history in my opinion, but daylight savings time does not crack the top dozen of his foibles
Posted on 3/8/26 at 1:25 pm to SDVTiger
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Im sure somehow Stalin created surfing
I would wager a moon pie that most of your comrades on surf boards are leftists.
So, in their “collective” mind…possibly.
Posted on 3/8/26 at 1:47 pm to Wednesday
He was the Obama of the 20th century. FDR too.
Posted on 3/8/26 at 5:46 pm to Murph4HOF
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How are you coming to this conclusion? The Bolshevik Revolution began before US troops arrived in Europe. If anything, I think you could say that having a massive military mobilized for WW1 allowed us to intervene during the Russian Civil War.
The russian civil war didn’t end until 1923. Our intervention was pretty minor.
The Germans would have intervened directly on the Russian royals behalf. The Kaiser was very close with the Tsar (who was his cousin)
Posted on 3/8/26 at 5:55 pm to GeauxBurrow312
quote:I don't think so. The Germans were just happy to not be fighting a 2 front war after the Treaty of Brest-Litovsk. They were focused on the western front, and they didn’t intervene after the October 1917 Revolution. The Romonovs were murdered in 1918 and they didn’t do anything then. Remember, the Germans were the ones who sent Lenin to Russia.
The russian civil war didn’t end until 1923. Our intervention was pretty minor.
The Germans would have intervened directly on the Russian royals behalf. The Kaiser was very close with the Tsar (who was his cousin)
Also, an argument can be made that the allied involvement in the Russian Civil War prolonged it, so without that intervention, it wouldn't have lasted until 1923. And by 1917, the Kaiser wasn't running the show; that was von Hindenburg and Ludendorff. Germany was effectively a military dictatorship in the last half of WW1.
Posted on 3/8/26 at 6:15 pm to Wednesday
He was a real piece of shite and made sure we got involved in WW1.
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