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re: Woke Activist Angela Davis finds out her ancestors came over on the Mayflower
Posted on 2/23/23 at 9:36 am to Vacherie Saint
Posted on 2/23/23 at 9:36 am to Vacherie Saint
quote:
here we go.
are you really going to go down the pointless road of composing paragraphs of worthless literary and grammatical analysis, thread redefinition, and argument reframing to salvage your stupid point? I think I made my points crystal clear here, and it lies at the heart of Angela Davis's genealogy problem wrt her stance on reparations. Why are you so insecure that you feel the need to convince yourself that you are right?
Ugh. You can travel that road alone, Proggy.
Your point that "the vast majority of american blacks have no slave ancestry" is incorrect. Aggie's point that 80% of African-Americans have slave ancestry is much closer to the truth.
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Posted on 2/23/23 at 9:40 am to Bobby OG Johnson
Angela Davis is still a thing???? Back to the 60s and early 70s.
Posted on 2/23/23 at 9:42 am to Vacherie Saint
quote:You lied. I corrected you. Now you are releasing chaff into the thread and running for the hard floor in an attempt to avoid missile-lock.
I think I made my points crystal clear here
quote:Because you lied, and your lies will probably mislead someone who is unaware of the real facts.
Why (do) you feel the need to convince yourself that you are right?
You SAID: "the vast majority of american blacks have no slave ancestry"). Let's repeat. NO SLAVE ANCESTRY.
FFS
You are "fake news."
This post was edited on 2/23/23 at 9:44 am
Posted on 2/23/23 at 9:45 am to Saint Alfonzo
Of blacks that have some slave lineage, most also possess slave owner or white ancestry (see Angela Davis), as many whites southern whites in particular, have both. A black american with direct slave ancestry, and no white slaveowner ancestry, is rare. A direct slave ancestor with no conflicting lineage, is exceedingly rare, as are direct slaveowner descendants with no conflicting lineage. In the age of genealogical DNA, the ancestry argument was quickly abandoned in favor of "privilege". That's the point.
do we really need another page of clarification on this?
do we really need another page of clarification on this?
Posted on 2/23/23 at 9:46 am to AggieHank86
quote:
I corrected you.
You gave the board your unsolicited opinion. Just like always.
Posted on 2/23/23 at 9:47 am to Vacherie Saint
OK, it seems that you are now moving the goalposts from "NO SLAVE ANCESTRY" to "PURE slave ancestry."
If you want to now argue that almost zero American Blacks have PURE slave ancestry, you are of course correct. The ancestry of the average American Black is 24% European.
If you want to now argue that almost zero American Blacks have PURE slave ancestry, you are of course correct. The ancestry of the average American Black is 24% European.
Posted on 2/23/23 at 9:49 am to Vacherie Saint
quote:As compared to the deafening chants early in this thread of "Vacherie Saint, what are YOUR thoughts on the percent of Blacks with slave ancestors."
You gave the board your unsolicited opinion.
JFC
Posted on 2/23/23 at 9:51 am to Vacherie Saint
quote:
You gave the board your unsolicited opinion. Just like always.
This is the second time in as many days that I've seen you try to make this point.
Why are you under the impression that the only people who should reply to you are those you've directly quoted?
Posted on 2/23/23 at 9:52 am to Vacherie Saint
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Of blacks that have some slave lineage, most also possess slave owner or white ancestry (see Angela Davis)
I find it irrelevant in 2023 what a persons ancestors did in 1860. It is a pathetic modern argument. We can't even live in the present because some cannot give up their past.
People with more money than common sense love to argue over meaningless things it seems.
Posted on 2/23/23 at 9:54 am to AggieHank86
Nope. Its a conversation the ancestry of someone who supports reparations. That person also has slaveowner ancestry, just like a hefty swath of the American black community, therefore she'd have no ancestral claim to the reparations she champions.
Ive made that clear in like 3 subsequent posts, but you can't let your little clerical gotcha go. Sounds like you dont want to have a conversation about Ms. Davis's ancestry problem.
Ive made that clear in like 3 subsequent posts, but you can't let your little clerical gotcha go. Sounds like you dont want to have a conversation about Ms. Davis's ancestry problem.
Posted on 2/23/23 at 10:02 am to RogerTheShrubber
it isnt hard. We are far too blended as a society to identify who would have legitimate genealogical rights and liability, and people like Angela Davis know that, and therefore the supporting arguments for reparations have moved from ancestry to systemic racism and white privilege.
Its the same with native American land claims. What tribe, what land, at what specific point in history has a valid claim? Its all just a massive divisive identity politics play.
Its the same with native American land claims. What tribe, what land, at what specific point in history has a valid claim? Its all just a massive divisive identity politics play.
This post was edited on 2/23/23 at 10:03 am
Posted on 2/23/23 at 10:06 am to Bobby OG Johnson
A woke activist being of puritan blood makes sense tbh
Posted on 2/23/23 at 10:09 am to Vacherie Saint
quote:You told an outright lie in an effort to bolster your argument on "reparations," and now you attempt to frame it as a "clerical" matter.
you can't let your little clerical gotcha go.
While I think the notion of reparations is stupid, let's assume (for discussion only) that it has SOME merit. Why would a single slaveholder in the family tree disqualify a Black whose remaining ancestry is 99% "slave?" Was slave ancestor "Toby" in 1821 any less a slave because his momma fricked the massah? Were Toby's next two generations of descendants any less a slave? Were the next five generations any less the recipients of negative discrimination because one great-great-great-great-great grandfather (1/256 of his 8th generation lineal ancestors) was a slave owner?
This post was edited on 2/23/23 at 10:15 am
Posted on 2/23/23 at 10:11 am to deltaland
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A woke activist being of puritan blood makes sense tbh
They were the beginning of cancel culture in the USA.
Posted on 2/23/23 at 10:12 am to Bobby OG Johnson
I'm sure she will do the right thing and immediately kill herself. I have faith in her righteous commitment to her cause.
Posted on 2/23/23 at 10:14 am to Nosevens
A famous Democratic senator from West Virginia had an affair with a black woman and raised a child while hiding it for decades.
Posted on 2/23/23 at 10:16 am to AggieHank86
I made a point. You challenged the point. I gave additional context, and now you can't let it go.
This is why definitions are important, unless you are the party of constantly changing definitions like global warming, vaccines, etc.
If Toby has 1% ancestral slave owner DNA, and his white neighbor AggieHank also has 1% slave owner DNA, does Aggie's melanin deficiency increase his liability? The current school of thought is "it does" because Aggie bathes in privilege.
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a Black whose remaining ancestry is 99% "slave?" Was slave ancestor "Toby" in 1821 any less a slave because his momma fricked the massah?
This is why definitions are important, unless you are the party of constantly changing definitions like global warming, vaccines, etc.
If Toby has 1% ancestral slave owner DNA, and his white neighbor AggieHank also has 1% slave owner DNA, does Aggie's melanin deficiency increase his liability? The current school of thought is "it does" because Aggie bathes in privilege.
Posted on 2/23/23 at 10:22 am to Vacherie Saint
quote:
Of blacks that have some slave lineage, most also possess slave owner or white ancestry (see Angela Davis), as many whites southern whites in particular, have both. A black american with direct slave ancestry, and no white slaveowner ancestry, is rare. A direct slave ancestor with no conflicting lineage, is exceedingly rare, as are direct slaveowner descendants with no conflicting lineage. In the age of genealogical DNA, the ancestry argument was quickly abandoned in favor of "privilege". That's the point.
What's the argument here? That African-Americans descended from slaves can't claim "direct" slave ancestry, whatever that means to you, because they're too mixed with master whitey? There is no such thing as "conflicted lineage."
Posted on 2/23/23 at 10:30 am to Bobby OG Johnson
quote:
**Her ancestors came to America on the mayflower**
Really? All 2,048 of her Great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-grandparents were on that boat?
Curiously, it only held about 135 passengers.
Posted on 2/23/23 at 10:30 am to Saint Alfonzo
With reparations, if descendants of slave owners are payors, and descendants of slaves are payees, should people like Angela Davis, and the millions like her, pay themselves? You have to define who pays and who benefits. For example, should I refer Don Cheadle to the Chickasaw Nation when it comes time to hand out checks? Activists have learned that it cant possibly be done with ancestry, which is why we are now hearing so much about "privilege" - holding all whites financially accountable for the plight of all blacks, regardless of heritage. Its a very dangerous precedent.
There absolutely is in this context, unless you count general differences in skin tone as the only marker.
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There is no such thing as "conflicted lineage."
There absolutely is in this context, unless you count general differences in skin tone as the only marker.
This post was edited on 2/23/23 at 10:36 am
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