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re: Woah.. has anyone watched this video of the plane crash?
Posted on 1/31/25 at 6:51 am to SouthEasternKaiju
Posted on 1/31/25 at 6:51 am to SouthEasternKaiju
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The best version of it being an accident kinda works if we're to believe the Blackhawk pilots were focused on the plane taking off, and not the one inbound.
Didn't ATC specify that the CRJ was on final? I'm pretty sure I saw that in a transcript of the comms.
Even if they weren't made aware of the incoming flights, shouldn't experience tell the helo pilots that they were about to cross the final flight path for incoming traffic, thus meaning low-flying aircraft?
The helo screwed up and now 67 people are dead. Very sad.
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Posted on 1/31/25 at 7:03 am to BigBro
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Agreed, but imo he was talking about ATC being understaffed because 1 person was manning the job for 2 separate towers, and that happened directly because of DEI, and so he was pissed.
yes, could be....but this was clear conditions....the pilot has responsibility in this situation, around the tower, in a VFR setting, which it was. It is much easier to see on a clear night, than in the haze of the clear day.
Posted on 1/31/25 at 7:04 am to Mandtgr47
Posted on 1/31/25 at 7:09 am to Kjnstkmn
sad situation for sure. But, why post that here, it isn't what this thread is about.
Posted on 1/31/25 at 7:09 am to Kjnstkmn
The controller in communication with PAT 225 may not have done anything wrong, followed procedures in place.
Per a Helo pilot on Bongino today however the practice of allowing helos to be cleared for visual separation so close to commercial flights so frequently is inherently dangerous and may be the biggest contributing factor.
Who is responsible for putting that procedure into place to begin with is a question that needs to be asked.
Per a Helo pilot on Bongino today however the practice of allowing helos to be cleared for visual separation so close to commercial flights so frequently is inherently dangerous and may be the biggest contributing factor.
Who is responsible for putting that procedure into place to begin with is a question that needs to be asked.
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Posted on 1/31/25 at 7:10 am to Mandtgr47
highly recommend that all should watch this video.. very informative of all the different variables overlayed with ATC communications
Posted on 1/31/25 at 7:10 am to FLTech
Wow, that really does not look accidental in the slightest.
Posted on 1/31/25 at 7:12 am to Kjnstkmn
I do not know anymore, it has been over 20 years since I was a controller. But, those same rules were in place back then. The tower will clear on a visual approach and it is on the Pilot at that point. Now, this doesn't happen in IFR conditions (bad weather/cloudy/foggy, etc)....as each aircraft is following commands from the radar controllers due to visability. I was not a tower guy, I was a radar guy....so admittingly don't know everything about tower.
Posted on 1/31/25 at 7:14 am to FLTech
So I’m to believe that the helicopter knew the RJ crew would accept a last minute runway change and happened to be in the perfect position to ram the RJ due to this runway change?
I’m having trouble with that. If the RJ declined the runway change what would the helicopter have done?
I’m having trouble with that. If the RJ declined the runway change what would the helicopter have done?
This post was edited on 1/31/25 at 7:19 am
Posted on 1/31/25 at 7:17 am to prouddawg
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If it’s a tranny, it’s intentional
Without question (and I posted it was highly improbable this was intentional yesterday).
Posted on 1/31/25 at 7:18 am to SouthEasternKaiju
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If I'm trying to control a craft to save my life and all those on the jet we're about to collide with, I don't think even a super tranny could win that battle. 2 vs 1?
Sure, but we are talking about a few seconds. The instructor could have been looking at his kneeboard and filling out an evaluation form. By the time he realized what was going on it could have been too late.
I have doubts about the suicide thing because I think it would be hard to intercept a jet with a helicopter flying at a big angle to the plane’s vector. I’ve flown in dozens of helicopters, but I’ve never piloted one, so I don’t know.
Posted on 1/31/25 at 7:24 am to SallysHuman
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It's been suggested that the pilot may have been transgender
Wish these threads would get whacked. Had mutual friends with one of the helicopter pilots who went from Navy enlisted to Army warrant pilot program. He was a white conservative male with a family. It was an accident, he thought he was clear. Yes he should’ve seen the airliner but at night with city lights, it’s not always that easy. Next time one of you get in a car accident at night, I’ll assume you’re transgender.
This post was edited on 1/31/25 at 7:30 am
Posted on 1/31/25 at 7:30 am to UnoMe
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Helicopter pilot radioed they had visual of airliner, it just happen to be the wrong airliner- the one in fore front of video, they fricked up. They thought they were clear, and behind them.
You can’t be speaking about the jet taking off. That’s over a mile away.
Posted on 1/31/25 at 7:31 am to JAXTiger16
Was the name released yet?
Posted on 1/31/25 at 7:32 am to JAXTiger16
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Wish these threads would get whacked. Had mutual friends with one of the helicopter pilots who went from Navy enlisted to Army warrant pilot program. He was a white conservative male with a family. It was an accident, he thought he was clear. Yes he should’ve seen the airliner but at night with city lights, it’s not always that easy. Next time one of you get in a car accident at night, I’ll assume you’re transgender.
post of the year 100%
Posted on 1/31/25 at 7:33 am to JAXTiger16
no one is saying it was this guy that caused it.
Posted on 1/31/25 at 7:33 am to Mandtgr47
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If there were truly VFR (visual flight rules) in place, then no way this chopper pilot didn't see the jet.
This is just an incorrect statement. I doubt you will find a single pilot that would agree with this. It is surprisingly difficult to see other aircraft when you are flying. And I have read that the helo was higher than the plane as they approached each other; that means the plane’s lights were viewed from the helo against a backdrop of a huge city at night. That is a lot of light pollution.
Posted on 1/31/25 at 7:34 am to WylieTiger
Posted on 1/31/25 at 7:38 am to SmackoverHawg
quote:Let them fight.
bunch of figure skaters. Gay community about to declare war on trannies if the tranny pilot rumor is true.
The majority of the gay and lesbian community despise getting lumped in with the trannies.
It's also a direct attack on gays. Oh, you feel like the opposite gender, you can't simply be gay, you have to BE that other gender to be yourself.
This war is long overdue.
Posted on 1/31/25 at 7:38 am to Penrod
Dude play your games somewhere else. You don't know wtf you are talking about. I see you in every thread playing devil's advocate, or just being stupid. I did this for 8 years, I know a lot about this as a former ATC.
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