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re: Will Ukraine expose incompetence of our defense contractors?

Posted on 8/11/26 at 10:56 am to
Posted by michael corleone
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Posted on 8/11/26 at 10:56 am to
Elon said this 3 years ago.
Posted by Rip Torner
Member since Jul 2023
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Posted on 8/11/26 at 11:01 am to
The military is very inefficient and wastes billions of dollars
Posted by lake chuck fan
Vinton
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24828 posts
Posted on 8/11/26 at 11:01 am to
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I dont think we have what we need for a 2026 battlefield and I think we cant scale it currently even if we did



Im not disagreeing... but check out Palmer Lucky. He's handling up on that.
There are many of his interviews on YouTube.

Posted by prplhze2000
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Posted on 8/11/26 at 11:18 am to
This was my problem with Hegseth banning reporters. Y'all were cheering it on because of leaks.

Well, there is another side to it. Makes it much harder to find Pentagon corruption.
Posted by bgtiger
SOLA
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Posted on 8/11/26 at 11:23 am to
Is it easier and just faster to build drones than missiles?
Posted by cadillacattack
the ATL
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Posted on 8/11/26 at 12:29 pm to

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and according to The Atlantic


you must be kidding
Posted by lake chuck fan
Vinton
Member since Aug 2011
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Posted on 8/11/26 at 3:18 pm to
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Well, there is another side to it. Makes it much harder to find Pentagon corruption



Lmao!! I disagree!! I trust Hegseth much more than having those Marxist Dem loving MSM idiots running around the Pentagon unattended. The Marxist Dem Main Stream Media propaganda machine is one of the biggest threats to this nation.
If you haven't recognized that fact.....
well, you must be a very simple thinker.
IMHO
Posted by Tigris
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Posted on 8/11/26 at 4:34 pm to
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Will Ukraine expose incompetence of our defense contractors?


They already have.

They won't be building licensed Patriots. They will be building an alternate system that is cheaper, more effective, and takes less time to produce.

The US is behind in the incredibly quickly changing times in warfare. That's not new. We usually catch back up after learning the hard way. And usually by outspending/out producing everybody. China as a player makes this more difficult.
Posted by dinosaur
Louisiana
Member since Aug 2007
1178 posts
Posted on 8/11/26 at 4:47 pm to
I don't think Lockheed built the F-22 so if they got paid for it, the government really messed up.

Looks like I was wrong. Lockheed is part of the deal on the F-22 with Boeing and seems to be working on an update.
This post was edited on 8/11/26 at 4:56 pm
Posted by Sweep Da Leg
Member since Sep 2013
4578 posts
Posted on 8/11/26 at 4:48 pm to
How about frick that and stop giving our patriot systems engineering to other countries
Posted by RohanGonzales
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Posted on 8/11/26 at 4:52 pm to
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and according to The Atlantic


you must be kidding


That wall of text is from the fricking Atlantic? without a link?
Posted by lake chuck fan
Vinton
Member since Aug 2011
24828 posts
Posted on 8/11/26 at 4:54 pm to
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They already have.

They won't be building licensed Patriots. They will be building an alternate system that is cheaper, more effective, and takes less time to produce.


The Japanese already have built this.
We already know how effective and efficient the Japs are.....
And anyone who takes the time to research China vs Japan hostilities, China wants NOTHING to do with a morivated, well armed Japan.
Just sayin...

LINK
Posted by Bass Tiger
Member since Oct 2014
56600 posts
Posted on 8/11/26 at 5:01 pm to
Currently the US spends over $1 trillion annually on national defense. Since WWII the US has outspent all other developed nations combined on national defense funding.

When a nation ^^^^ spends that much money on their military there shouldn't be any nation who would dare to stand up to a well stocked and superior US military but here we are today with the DOW requesting another $4-5 hundred billion in additional funding.
Posted by prplhze2000
Parts Unknown
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Posted on 8/11/26 at 8:00 pm to
I get it. Trust me. I get it. Not disagreeing with that at all. Just pointing out the flip side to it.
Posted by LemmyLives
Texas
Member since Mar 2019
17516 posts
Posted on 8/11/26 at 8:11 pm to
The services deserve some blame. The Constellation class was based on a proven, in use, design used by the Italians. But, leave it to the USN to frick it up:
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…the United States Navy’s Constellation-class frigate program (was) not as a case of technical failure or flawed contracting, but as a breakdown in sustained stewardship over a sound acquisition construct. The program was conceived to adapt a mature, serially produced parent design; expand the U.S. surface-combatant industrial base; and impose cost discipline through a fixed-price structure that depended on preserving design stability and commonality. That construct remained coherent through early execution and even through extraordinary external disruption during the Covid-19 pandemic. The program did not fail because it proved infeasible. It became vulnerable when the continuity of senior ownership eroded. During a narrow period between mid-2022 and mid-2023, the program’s central premise—reliance on a proven parent design to control risk, cost, and schedule—was no longer actively defended as directed changes accumulated to comply with historical Navy shipbuilding specifications. Absent deliberate reconstitution of that premise, contractual and technical alignment degraded, and the program’s recovery pathways narrowed.
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