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Posted on 5/1/25 at 12:35 pm to ChatGPT of LA
Before 2019 and 2020 people from Honduras, El Salvador, and Guatemala could come to the US illegally and then claim asylum and work for citizenship. In 2019 the Trump administration signed a deal with the 3 countries that asylum seekers coming to America could be sent to those countries if they came illegally.
Each country has immigration offices. They can set an appointment on app, but must have an in person interview. If they get granted asylum they still must pass through other countries legally or they lose their asylum.
If done correctly Homeland Security made it easier for people to come here legally. There are many people that came here illegally before 2019 or 2020, but have the same rights that non-citizens have now that come here legally.
Each country has immigration offices. They can set an appointment on app, but must have an in person interview. If they get granted asylum they still must pass through other countries legally or they lose their asylum.
If done correctly Homeland Security made it easier for people to come here legally. There are many people that came here illegally before 2019 or 2020, but have the same rights that non-citizens have now that come here legally.
This post was edited on 5/1/25 at 12:53 pm
Posted on 5/1/25 at 12:37 pm to IvoryBillMatt
Deportations don’t have to happen in the absence of due process. They can go home and their “case” can be handled remotely like we did with RIM
Posted on 5/1/25 at 12:42 pm to ChatGPT of LA
Is the part where ICE/border control checks your paperwork and/or runs a background check and determines you aren't a citizen of this country not due process?
Posted on 5/1/25 at 12:50 pm to Vacherie Saint
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Deportations don’t have to happen in the absence of due process. They can go home and their “case” can be handled remotely like we did with RIM
I wasn't talking about deportations. This is just part of my discussion with OP about his statement, that due process should be denied to illegal aliens, because..
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Seems logical on immigration and other crimes.
In trying to find out what OP meant by "and other crimes," he clarified that he meant "misdemeanors."
Posted on 5/1/25 at 12:55 pm to IvoryBillMatt
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that due process should be denied to illegal aliens, because..
I'm repeating what I just posted but the part where law enforcement runs your background check and determine you're here illegally is the due process. You get a chance to prove you're a citizen or here legally and if you fail that, sorry you're gone.
Posted on 5/1/25 at 1:10 pm to ChatGPT of LA
Unless you have a lot of faith in govt workers, I'd suggest a hearing to verify if the accused is actually a citizen or not before deportation.
Posted on 5/1/25 at 1:11 pm to IvoryBillMatt
Not sure. I just don’t like “due process” being thrown around with regard to criminal foreign nationals.
There are limits.
There are limits.
Posted on 5/1/25 at 1:12 pm to BuckeyeGoon
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'm repeating what I just posted but the part where law enforcement runs your background check and determine you're here illegally is the due process.
So if ICE decides to issue a detainer against a citizen, sorry citizen you're out of luck?
Posted on 5/1/25 at 1:17 pm to ChatGPT of LA
It is logical and ba k when this nation was formed they could have never imagined that anybody would ever be so fricking stupid that there would need to be a law.
Posted on 5/1/25 at 1:22 pm to BuckeyeGoon
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You get a chance to prove you're a citizen or here legally and if you fail that, sorry you're gone.
I agree with you. That should be a quick, open and shut case.
I gather the biggest impediment to swift removal are the asylum claims. Haven't seen the numbers, but I wouldn't be surprised if 95% are bogus.
The only one I have bothered to look at is Abrego Garcia's case. While he wasn't technically granted asylum (it was too late for him to apply for it), the same standards for "fear of harm" were applied.
I was surprised at what a low standard there was for "fear of persecution" in his case.
Posted on 5/1/25 at 1:24 pm to Vacherie Saint
You’re not correct. Legal residents are
protected by the Constitution, even if not citizens. And even if they are citizens of another country.
protected by the Constitution, even if not citizens. And even if they are citizens of another country.
Posted on 5/1/25 at 1:29 pm to IvoryBillMatt
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So, no due process for anyone accused of ANY crime?
Sure. If you avoid due process when coming into the country, making you an illegal alien, then yes, you automatically give up your rights to due process if you commit ANY crime whatsoever and will be automatically deported. Period.
Posted on 5/1/25 at 1:44 pm to MemphisGuy
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Sure. If you avoid due process when coming into the country, making you an illegal alien, then yes, you automatically give up your rights to due process if you commit ANY crime whatsoever and will be automatically deported. Period.
I wasn't talking about illegal aliens. I was asking what OP meant when he said there should be no due process for illegal immigration and "all other crimes." He clarified it to say that anyone who commit a misdemeanor shouldn't be entitled to due process.
Posted on 5/1/25 at 1:57 pm to NYNolaguy1
Well when it comes time to prove you're a citizen I would hope you have the correct documents. I could do this easily and I would think any other citizen could as well. On the rare chance a citizen is wrongly deported couldn't they just walk back across the border and show they have the correct documents? I'm just really confused on how a legitimate citizen would even get caught up in this situation.
Posted on 5/1/25 at 2:11 pm to Ag Zwin
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Many of the same people who will rail about “shall not be infringed” will also say due process is not an absolute right for illegal aliens.
Nice false equivalency. One is written in stone.
What amendment specifically says that illegals can't be deported without a ridiculously drawn out legal process where they get to throw every piece of shite at the wall in an attempt to remain a foreign invader while taxpayers foot the bill?
All illegals get due process. We verify they are illegal and deport them. That's the due process. They had a chance to prove they were citizens, and they failed.
Anyone not from Mexico is not legally allowed refugee status, yet you fight for their "due process" to falsely claim asylum. Why do you care about the law of due process but not the national and international laws these criminals broke to get here?
You don't want due process. You want a complicated process that it makes expensive and difficult to deport illegal criminals. You want to feel morally superior because you care about the process more than the results.
Posted on 5/1/25 at 2:27 pm to SammyTiger
Consistent rulings? 9-0 was about Kilmar Garcia and more like a determination that the district court be more definitive in the terminology than using “effectuate “ as Sotomeyer tangent deemed Trump administration sending people without due process could happen even to American citizens. KG was not a citizen of America but rather a terrorist organization member from El Salvador and the lower courts already agreed he was deportable but just not to El Salvador because of him being possibly retaliated against. Read the actual rulings
Posted on 5/1/25 at 2:28 pm to IvoryBillMatt
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So, no due process for anyone accused of ANY crime?
That’s either purposefully obtuse are you're a straight tard. I’m giving you the benefit of the doubt, by the way.
Posted on 5/1/25 at 2:29 pm to TenWheelsForJesus
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All illegals get due process
one note....its really due process of law.
It has to be verified in court. ICE/LEO are not judges/jury.
and no I want due process, I dont care if there is a streamlined process for that, but it still needs to be in a court
Posted on 5/1/25 at 2:29 pm to Nosevens
we’re talking about due process so I assumed you were too.
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