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re: Why isnt the GOP out hammering on what a dumpster fire Obamacare is?

Posted on 11/7/25 at 7:25 am to
Posted by Deplorableinohio
Member since Dec 2018
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Posted on 11/7/25 at 7:25 am to
Because they have no alternative.
Posted by dgnx6
Member since Feb 2006
89760 posts
Posted on 11/7/25 at 7:25 am to
Because the easier stance to take is to say republicans want to take your healthcare.

The problem is the republicans allowing it to happen in the first place. Now you will always be the villain if you try and fix it or Medicaid.


Also notice in this thread every single person is asking the GOP and no one is asking the democrats to fix it.


It’s the republicans that have to fix it or we will vote Democrat.

This post was edited on 11/7/25 at 8:05 am
Posted by the808bass
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Posted on 11/7/25 at 7:27 am to
The GOP has made a deal with Satan, apparently, to be part of no legislative change while Trump is around.
Posted by LSUAlum2001
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Member since Aug 2003
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Posted on 11/7/25 at 7:42 am to
quote:

quote:

Covering pre-existing conditions is a huge driver of increased costs to the system.

Pre-existing conditions aren’t just congenital. And covering them adds a perverse incentive to people to not have insurance until they need it, which is the opposite of insurance.



To further his explanation..

It would be like not carrying any life insurance, but being able to purchase it immediately upon finding that you have a terminal illness.
This post was edited on 11/7/25 at 7:45 am
Posted by Bham4Tide
In a Van down by the River
Member since Feb 2011
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Posted on 11/7/25 at 7:58 am to
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I have voted GOP my whole life.

I’m 100% they have no idea how to fix healthcare and aren’t really interested in trying.


This. Because it is a losing proposition to mess with healthcare, food, and Social Security. Those affect people directly in the here and now.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
476599 posts
Posted on 11/7/25 at 7:58 am to
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Why isnt the GOP out hammering on what a dumpster fire Obamacare is?

I agree, and I think the answer is: too many of their voters like what they're getting from the ACA, even though many are likely against it in theory.
Posted by UncleFestersLegs
Member since Nov 2010
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Posted on 11/7/25 at 7:59 am to
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It would be like not carrying any life insurance, but being able to purchase it immediately upon finding that you have a terminal illness
exactly right.

Posted by wackatimesthree
Member since Oct 2019
13434 posts
Posted on 11/7/25 at 7:59 am to
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Because they don't have a healthcare policy of their own.

Trump has been saying he will release his healthcare plan in "2 weeks" for over 10 years now.


This is the correct answer.

And the reason they don't have a plan of their own is that it's a hell of a lot harder to "fix" it than people seem to think it is. There really is no "fixing" it. There's just picking a different poison.

People don't stop to think about the fact that health care technology has exploded so fast over just the past 75-100 years and there is so much that can be done now for conditions that wasn't possible before that.

Hell, insulin was only first used for diabetes in 1922. Before that, people with diabetes just died. Within a few years of being diagnosed.

Antibiotics were only discovered in 1928.

The first open heart surgery was in 1953 and the first successful heart bypass surgery wasn't until 1960.

The first successful knee replacement surgery was in 1968.

The first chemotherapy drugs were used in the 1940s.

My point being, all of these expensive procedures for all but the rarest problems humans have—that we completely take for granted and feel entitled to—haven't existed for all but the blink of an eye relative to human history.

And at exactly the same time that those technologies were being developed,, humans were also becoming chronically ill due to food production methods and technology reducing the need to be active. It's a perfect storm.

And there may simply not be a perfect way to make access to those services possible. Nobody has thought of one yet. There's a significant drawback to every system anybody has come up with.

I agree that Obamacare is near the bottom of the barrel in terms of doing the best that can be done. But improving on it is a much bigger problem than people think.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 11/7/25 at 8:00 am to
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The GOP has made a deal with Satan, apparently, to be part of no legislative change while Trump is around.


Trump's admin isn't exactly proposing and working out legislation, too, even in areas of Constitutional duty like the budget.
Posted by wackatimesthree
Member since Oct 2019
13434 posts
Posted on 11/7/25 at 8:00 am to
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The GOP has made a deal with Satan, apparently, to be part of no legislative change while Trump is around.


This is also the correct answer.
Posted by wackatimesthree
Member since Oct 2019
13434 posts
Posted on 11/7/25 at 8:03 am to
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Trump's admin isn't exactly proposing and working out legislation


Well, Trump has shown such willingness to just issue an EO it's no wonder Congress hasn't done much. Why should they, if he's going to do it by EO?

Let him take the bad press (which there is going to be no matter what).
Posted by OccamsStubble
Member since Aug 2019
10075 posts
Posted on 11/7/25 at 8:03 am to
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Because they don't have a healthcare policy of their own.


Why not policy of "earn your own money and pay for your own healthcare?"

I ask, because that policy makes the most sense.
This post was edited on 11/7/25 at 9:02 am
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
476599 posts
Posted on 11/7/25 at 8:04 am to
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Well, Trump has shown such willingness to just issue an EO it's no wonder Congress hasn't done much. Why should they, if he's going to do it by EO?


That's kind of my point. I won't blame the GOP in Congress for not passing laws when it seems this is the specific plan of the GOP (including Trump and his admin).
Posted by SquatchDawg
Cohutta Wilderness
Member since Sep 2012
20081 posts
Posted on 11/7/25 at 8:06 am to
The last thing Republicans want to do is actually have to back up what they tell everyone they stand for to get elected. They’re all talk.
Posted by dgnx6
Member since Feb 2006
89760 posts
Posted on 11/7/25 at 8:08 am to
Why don’t the democrats have to fix healthcare to get elected?


Posted by wackatimesthree
Member since Oct 2019
13434 posts
Posted on 11/7/25 at 8:09 am to
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I ask, because that policy makes the most sense.


Does it?

All but the busiest hospitals would close. Then the closest hospital to you if you got hit by a bus might be 5 or 6 hours away.

Medical R&D would stop. The clinics and hospitals that did stay open within 15 years or so would be operating with outdated, worn out equipment.

The number of highly competent "best and brightest" doctors would decline.

There's no way a cash only system could sustain the current salaries of specialists like heart surgeons, neurosurgeons, etc.

Again, there is a significant drawback to anything you propose.
Posted by wackatimesthree
Member since Oct 2019
13434 posts
Posted on 11/7/25 at 8:09 am to
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That's kind of my point. I won't blame the GOP in Congress for not passing laws when it seems this is the specific plan of the GOP (including Trump and his admin).


Yes, I was underscoring and agreeing.
Posted by Bham4Tide
In a Van down by the River
Member since Feb 2011
24684 posts
Posted on 11/7/25 at 8:14 am to
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Why not policy of "own your own money and pay for your own healthcare?"

I ask, because that policy makes the most sense.


Because that is intellectually unrealistic for a million different reasons - and you know it.

Not everyone can afford it. You just gonna let a waitress rot if they get sick, or God forbid, their children?

You think doctors and hospitals will lower their costs? Never.
This post was edited on 11/7/25 at 8:15 am
Posted by Toomer Deplorable
Team Bitter Clinger
Member since May 2020
24857 posts
Posted on 11/7/25 at 8:15 am to
Because the Maduro regime poses an existential threat to peace and harmony in the Universe. Only when we reestablish the dominance of the United States as globo-robo cop, can we focus on defeating the commie jihadists infiltrating the heartland.

We must thus focus all our energies on fighting more foreign wars. This is the new MAGA agenda.




Posted by Icansee4miles
Trolling the Tickfaw
Member since Jan 2007
32244 posts
Posted on 11/7/25 at 8:16 am to
I had no idea. How can cities shift their unfunded programs to the Federal Government? Through local legislation? Let’s shift the Louisiana State Employees obligations to the Feds too then?

Until the Republicans start fighting fire with fire, we are going to continue to get steamrolled by the Left.
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