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re: Why is ‘limited range’ for EV’s presented as ‘range anxiety’?
Posted on 9/15/25 at 10:29 am to Clames
Posted on 9/15/25 at 10:29 am to Clames
That's a 500 mile drive. We will use EVs when gasoline gets too expensive. We are not there yet.
The Norwegians feel guilty that they are an oil and gas powerhouse. That is one reason they drive so many EVS.
The Norwegians feel guilty that they are an oil and gas powerhouse. That is one reason they drive so many EVS.
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Posted on 9/15/25 at 10:29 am to weagle1999
They name it ‘range anxiety’ rather than the more accurate 'range inadequacy' because their way shifts the pathology/blame onto the driver
Posted on 9/15/25 at 10:33 am to luvdoc
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They name it ‘range anxiety’ rather than the more accurate 'range inadequacy' because their way shifts the pathology/blame onto the driver
It's really a function of how many charging stations are out there. In the US we don't have enough charging stations. We can get down the highways but not everywhere. I'd also say how much of your driving is cross country? Most is likely in and around one's house. For those who drive long distances often, get an ICE vehicle. By the way, EVs are fun to drive.
Posted on 9/15/25 at 10:34 am to weagle1999
Range anxiety has little to do with range. It has everything to do with limited (compared to gas) places to recharge.
This has always been ONE of the difficulties with replacing gasoline with electricity, hydrogen or any other form of car power.
This issue is slowly going away as more and more charging stations pop up across the country.
This has always been ONE of the difficulties with replacing gasoline with electricity, hydrogen or any other form of car power.
This issue is slowly going away as more and more charging stations pop up across the country.
Posted on 9/15/25 at 10:36 am to aTmTexas Dillo
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The Norwegians feel guilty that they are an oil and gas powerhouse. That is one reason they drive so many EVS.
They are mentally immature, certainly.
Posted on 9/15/25 at 10:38 am to Clames
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They very likely did.
So you think that people that are trying to sell EVs would come up with a phrase that uses "anxiety" in association of their products?
Posted on 9/15/25 at 10:41 am to omegaman66
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This issue is slowly going away as more and more charging stations pop up across the country.
Not really, as even with more charging stations it's still a lengthy process to charge up the battery any way. There's no technologically feasible solution for EV's to match ICE vehicles in terms of refueling vs charging convenience. The math simply doesn't work in any EV's favor in terms of power delivery at the rate required.
Posted on 9/15/25 at 10:43 am to aTmTexas Dillo
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The only thing I have anxiety about now is when that 30,000 dollar battery pack no longer charges up. I've not read much on how long those things last. Anybody know?
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Tesla's Battery and Drive Unit Warranty varies by model, covering at least 8 years and providing a minimum of 70% retention of battery capacity. The mileage limits differ by vehicle, such as 150,000 miles for Model S and X, and 120,000 miles for Model 3 and Y.
If the battery capacity drops below the guaranteed 70% threshold, Tesla will repair or replace the battery pack at no cost to the owner.
Using a Tesla as an example, you know how when your cellphone drops to 20%, it charges back up to 50 or 60% really quickly, but when you're at 90% it takes forever to reach 100%?
Most of the people who spend extended time at chargers don't really need to, because they think they need to get all the way up to 100%. The idea is to run the battery down to 10% or so, charge very quickly, and have just enough juice to get to your next stop with 10% or so remaining — the car will automatically calculate this for you, and tell you where to recharge.
Also, it's possible to plug into a standard 120V outlet in your garage overnight and eventually top it off if you're not driving 50-200 miles every single day. Superchargers outside of your home (the 480V+ gas station equivalent) are really typically only required on long road trips.
People aren't used to continually operating in the lower range of a fuel tank or battery pack, so when you're on the road in an unfamiliar area and see only 10 or 15% remaining, it can lead to "range anxiety," but this is actually how they're designed to operate and the concept eventually becomes normal.
Posted on 9/15/25 at 10:43 am to aTmTexas Dillo
EVs work great in cities or as a 2nd vehicle. If you lived in a city and don't ever drive more than say 100 miles it's great. You can charge it up each night and have no worries.
However if you drive a long range or tow, EVs suck.
However if you drive a long range or tow, EVs suck.
Posted on 9/15/25 at 10:43 am to Powerman
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So you think that people that are trying to sell EVs would come up with a phrase that uses "anxiety" in association of their products?
You either fill it up or charge it up. Everybody has to do it. A Ford F 150 Powerboost Hybrid is the best of both worlds and has a great range.
Posted on 9/15/25 at 10:44 am to weagle1999
The big issue with EVs IMO aren't the range or the performance. It's the availability of rapid charging when you get away from the major highways. It's just not plentiful enough.
Posted on 9/15/25 at 10:52 am to AubieinNC2009
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EVs work great in cities or as a 2nd vehicle.
As long as you don't live in apartment building, unless it has dedicated parking with chargers.
A good friend bought an EV, lives in the city without dedicated parking and a charger at hand. He spends a lot of time and money at chargers. Still cheaper than gas, but it's not a inexpensive as he'd hoped.
Posted on 9/15/25 at 10:53 am to Clames
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Not really, as even with more charging stations it's still a lengthy process to charge up the battery any way. There's no technologically feasible solution for EV's to match ICE vehicles in terms of refueling vs charging convenience. The math simply doesn't work in any EV's favor in terms of power delivery at the rate required.
I think you are wrong. There are battery technologies that have been proven and are being implemented that can give more range to ev's than you get out of a gas engine. Talking about ranges of about 900 miles per charge.
And also technologies that allow you to charge in times that rival refueling with gas.
And availability of charging stations is increasing. And will continue to increase.
Gas charging is limited to gas stations/ convivence stores. Electric charging station will be associated with all sorts of businesses. So implementation of new places will not be restricted by being limited to business startups.
Gasoline efficiency in automobiles is about as good as it is going to get. Whereas battery technology is getting better every year.
Throw in batteries that outlast the car body itself. Much less maintenance issues with electric motors. Adoption is coming fast. Look at the trends.
Posted on 9/15/25 at 10:54 am to paperwasp
I have gasoline tank anxiety and I pushed it pretty hard on a recent trip to and back from Wisconsin. It is mostly when I decided to keep going instead of gassing up. And I limped into a Love's to put 16 gallons in my 18 gallon tank. Certainly there is range anxiety associated with EVs. You have to plan it out.
My small charger on 120 volts takes many and too many hours to charge my vehicle. It is reasonable overnight at 220 volts. It is going to take a major mindset shift to get a lot of people driving EVs over here. It is in part because democrats tried to shove it down our throats by 2035. So it is political. I really like my Ford Lightning. And I charge at home so it works out. The few times I've charged at a Tesla Supercharger, it was easy to access and fast. I bought my wife a pancake at the adjoining Denny's and she ate while we waited. They do need to push the range to 400 miles.
My small charger on 120 volts takes many and too many hours to charge my vehicle. It is reasonable overnight at 220 volts. It is going to take a major mindset shift to get a lot of people driving EVs over here. It is in part because democrats tried to shove it down our throats by 2035. So it is political. I really like my Ford Lightning. And I charge at home so it works out. The few times I've charged at a Tesla Supercharger, it was easy to access and fast. I bought my wife a pancake at the adjoining Denny's and she ate while we waited. They do need to push the range to 400 miles.
Posted on 9/15/25 at 10:54 am to weagle1999
it is another way of saying control.
Posted on 9/15/25 at 10:55 am to weagle1999
EV trucks are now dead. Ram pulled theirs from development.
Posted on 9/15/25 at 10:55 am to goofball
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the availability of rapid charging
The newer Tesla V3 and V4 Superchargers are capable of up to 1,000V, and work by simply pulling up and plugging your car in — the amount of power transferred is charged directly to your monthly account.
Non-Tesla chargers like Electrify America are garbage and require specific apps, weird payment methods, and are more likely to be broken on-site.
The good news is that the industry recently adopted the Tesla standard for connectors (NACS), so hopefully this will allow most if not all EVs to use an adaptor to access the superior Tesla infrastructure instead.
Posted on 9/15/25 at 10:56 am to kywildcatfanone
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EV trucks are now dead. Ram pulled theirs from development.
When gasoline gets expensive, they will return. We aren't nearly there yet.
Posted on 9/15/25 at 10:57 am to Powerman
I don’t think it’s some made up phrase to scare people off of EV’s. It is just a description of what happens with people who own/drive EV’s.
Posted on 9/15/25 at 11:00 am to weagle1999
Tesla 1: Yo you want some dis charga
Tesla 2: Anxiety had some
Tesla 2: Anxiety had some
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