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re: Why I, as a populist, changed my mind on the Ukraine.
Posted on 4/8/23 at 1:03 am to Tantal
Posted on 4/8/23 at 1:03 am to Tantal
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Throughout the history of Russia
If you have any inkling of Russian military history, then you know Russia, with VERY few exceptions, goes to war when they can whip an arse or when they need to kill off a couple million citizens.
Neither applies to them making some kind of insane, wholesale onslaught of NATO that you have conjured into your imagination.
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Posted on 4/8/23 at 1:08 am to BengalOnTheBay
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goes to war when they can whip an arse
The events of 2014 in Crimea gave them the impression that they could whip an arse with little resistance. They were wrong this time.
This post was edited on 4/8/23 at 1:10 am
Posted on 4/8/23 at 1:16 am to Tantal
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The events of 2014 in Crimea gave them the impression that they could whip an arse with little resistance. They were wrong this time.
That's fundamentally incorrect. The constant harping on Ukraine joining NATO necessitated the action, in Russia's view. This mentality goes back 30 years before Putin and multiple Russian leaders have said that would be unacceptable. Why we continue to gloss over and pretend this isn't a reality proves the pro-Ukraine side are simply warmongering neo-cons that hate Putin with a burning passion in much the same way they hate Trump: for no discerning or explainable reason.
Posted on 4/8/23 at 1:16 am to joydivision
pick up a rifle and get your arse then. but don’t expect your brothers and sisters to follow
Posted on 4/8/23 at 1:20 am to Tantal
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The purpose for Russia is to push west to block the Polish Gap and Bessarabian Gap from which Russia has typically been invaded from the west.
You've mentioned the Bessarabian Gap 12x in the last month, we get it, we just don't agree.
Posted on 4/8/23 at 1:24 am to BengalOnTheBay
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That's fundamentally incorrect.
Then why didn't Russia take all of Ukraine in 2014? I have no beef with Putin, but in order for Russia to feel safe, they have to occupy Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Poland, Ukraine, Romania, Moldova, Hungary, Georgia, Armenia, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Uzbekistan, and Tajikistan. Why should Russia be allowed to determine the fates of all of those countries? Because they have nukes?
Posted on 4/8/23 at 1:25 am to TexasForever
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You've mentioned the Bessarabian Gap 12x in the last month, we get it, we just don't agree.
Maybe if you purchased a map....
Posted on 4/8/23 at 1:31 am to Tantal
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Then why didn't Russia take all of Ukraine in 2014?
Why didn’t they try to take the entire country in 2014? Gotta be because Joe Biden wasn’t POTUS thus they weren’t feeling froggy like they were when the old bag of bones got in office. More specifically, right after the Afghanistan debacle. I mean disaster.
Posted on 4/8/23 at 1:38 am to joydivision
frick Ukraine (the country and its leader,, not the people)…
Our shadow government won’t allow Russia or China to ever truly take over.
And regardless, on a full global geopolitical scale, Russia and China are on borrowed time. They’ll both collapse in next 10-20 years. We don’t truly need them aside from certain natural resources which we’ll find a way to claim and buy. We’ll be fine long term. They won’t. Hopefully I’m still alive to watch it all.
Our shadow government won’t allow Russia or China to ever truly take over.
And regardless, on a full global geopolitical scale, Russia and China are on borrowed time. They’ll both collapse in next 10-20 years. We don’t truly need them aside from certain natural resources which we’ll find a way to claim and buy. We’ll be fine long term. They won’t. Hopefully I’m still alive to watch it all.
This post was edited on 4/8/23 at 1:45 am
Posted on 4/8/23 at 1:52 am to davyjones
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Why didn’t they try to take the entire country in 2014? Gotta be because Joe Biden wasn’t POTUS thus they weren’t feeling froggy like they were when the old bag of bones got in office.
I hate Joe Biden as much as the next guy, but Obama was in office in 2014 when Russia took Crimea and that was well before the Afghanistan debacle. This has nothing to do with Trump.
This post was edited on 4/8/23 at 1:55 am
Posted on 4/8/23 at 2:05 am to Tantal
No I’m not saying that, that it has anything to do with Trump, just independently that Biden presented a unique opportunity for Putin in that by all appearances the Biden administration was going to be a feckless shitshow.
**In other words, no President Biden in 2014 - no attempt to take the entire country. President Biden in 2022 - attempt to take the entire country. The involvement of a President Biden in their minds, and his circus shitshow, was the incentive and motivation they needed to attempt the whole takeover. Even though they miscalculated just a touch.
**In other words, no President Biden in 2014 - no attempt to take the entire country. President Biden in 2022 - attempt to take the entire country. The involvement of a President Biden in their minds, and his circus shitshow, was the incentive and motivation they needed to attempt the whole takeover. Even though they miscalculated just a touch.
This post was edited on 4/8/23 at 2:13 am
Posted on 4/8/23 at 5:13 am to joydivision
Hey chief, we’re in second place NOW to China. No one wants to admit it though.
We’re England in the 1950s. We think we’re hot shite but the reality is we were the world leader by then. Now the tables have turned.
We’re England in the 1950s. We think we’re hot shite but the reality is we were the world leader by then. Now the tables have turned.
Posted on 4/8/23 at 5:24 am to CitizenK
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Zero boots on the ground in Ukraine but you could buy what the likes of Tucker and his guests have said and believe that NATO has its trained units all over Ukraine. The Russians actually believe it.
Um, uh, hmmm....just who is helping Ukraine figure out how to use all this tech we are giving them. Is it kinda like bike instructions so they can just put it together themselves? Just askin for a friend.
And who are these 2000 "advisors" that Turkey and Mossad say have died in the conflict so far? Were they Nigerians telling the Ukrainians how to invest?
Posted on 4/8/23 at 5:31 am to Tantal
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Throughout the history of Russia, every invasion that they've ever had from their western flank has come through the Polish Gap and the Bessarabian Gap (Romania), which is why Russia continues to keep Moldova destabilized and stations troops in Transnistria. In WW2, Germany came through the polish plains while Romania came around the Carpathian Mountains through the Bessarabian Gap. These are the critical choke points that Russia needs to secure.
See, I knew we were wasting money on missiles and satellites, jet fighter and drones. Trucks to take the gap, THATS where we should be spending money, electric trucks, thats the ticket.
Posted on 4/8/23 at 5:37 am to Tantal
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The only other potential rival is China. All we've given Ukraine is equipment, most of it older, to fight a land war (Javelins, tanks, Bradleys, etc.). If we go to war with China over Taiwan, that's going to be all Naval and Naval Aviation. We haven't depleted any of those supplies in Ukraine.
See, see, we dont need missiles or drones or emps, just some battleships and machine guns. Heck we dont need any of that stuff we are buying (not giving them old stuff, or else someone has to tell me where the 100 billion went).
And if you tell me "its a write off of old stuff" then why are we spending the money. And when you tell me "silly goose we have to replace the outdated stuff" then wouldnt that be in the original 754 billion dollar military budget.
So I ask again, if its truly old written off stuff....then where did the 100 billion go?????????
Posted on 4/8/23 at 5:38 am to boosiebadazz
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But say it again in Finnish.
Another piss arse little country we will have to defend, why do you think they want in NATO so bad? Why dont they just defend themselves.
Posted on 4/8/23 at 6:17 am to joydivision
Unless you are posting this from the front lines you are a coward.
Posted on 4/8/23 at 6:27 am to joydivision
Our involvement has bolstered the relationship between china and Russia and a whole host of countries that despise us..
FTR.. you can’t be the alpha by skirting the edges and bleeding Russia monetarily isn’t as easy when they are willing to drill their way out and we allow environmentalists to dictate energy policy.
FTR.. you can’t be the alpha by skirting the edges and bleeding Russia monetarily isn’t as easy when they are willing to drill their way out and we allow environmentalists to dictate energy policy.
Posted on 4/8/23 at 6:31 am to joydivision
Keep trying to sell this money laundering war as essential to us.
Still not buying it
Still not buying it
Posted on 4/8/23 at 6:34 am to joydivision
So you make this self-righteous thread then run away? By the way, you’re not a populist.
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