re: Why don’t we embrace the gays?

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There are plenty of gays over 30 that have common sense, or middle of the road or conservative and many even MAGA. The younger ones that haven't made any money or haven't had any real world experience continue to spout the leftist BS.

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Yes and no. While there are more gays "coming out" as conservative, I see the distribution pretty evenly among the age groups. I know I won't shock people here, but gays can be pretty judgmental. A lot of gay conservatives keep quiet for fear of reprisal.

For me, coming out as gay was a cake walk compared to being gay and conservative and MAGA. My close friends and acquaintances are fine with it and frequently ask my opinion on things. New gays I meet typically get pretty vicious about it, though. I've been called a traitor, a bad gay, ignorant, misguided, told I need to go be straight or sent off to political conversion therapy (yes, they joke about that), that I hate myself, or that there's just something wrong with me.

New gays I meet who come at me sideways about my politics tend to regret it pretty quickly when they realize that unlike them, I actually know what the frick I'm talking about.

It's funny, in being "out" as a gay conservative, I have a group message with 6 other conservative gays in my social circle who have approached me in confidence to talk about politics. They are too scared to be outed as conservatives to other gays -- ya know, the group that claims to love diversity. My liberal friends always bug me to out my other conservative friends, but I obviously won't do it.

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The segments of America that believe in family - asians and hispanics - have the lowest divorce rates. Blacks and Native Americans have the highest - where men are often times nowhere to be found.

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And unfortunately, all races are trending in the wrong direction. Rates of kids born out of wedlock by race are also positively correlated with the that race's divorce rate, and negatively correlated with that race's general SES.

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the average Trump supporter is pro same sex marriage?

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If not overtly pro, they just don't give a shite.

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If not overtly pro, they just don't give a shite.

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^that

I don’t even think government should be involved in marriage.

Many minorities are being fed a big bag of lies when they think those on the right want to ruin their lives. No, in general we just want people to be judged by the fruits of their labors and ideas rather than by what groups they identify with.

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Much respect to ya. Can't imagine the level of hate people like you get from other gay people. I think it's more difficult than being a conservative minority. Hearing the stories of people like Dave Rubin gave me an idea of what folks like you are up against.

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It's sad. Liberals would have you believe they are all in on rights for POC, gays, and women...until a member of one of those groups espouses conservative ideals. Then you see the true colors of liberals come out when they go scorched Earth against you.

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If anything, allowing gays to marry strengthens family units. It provides two consenting adults (and possibly kids) protections and incentives to stay together. That strengthens the family unit, not damages it.

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I think homosexual relations have inconsequential, if not zero, effect on the strength of the family unit. That was the thought behind my post.

The family unit faces exponentially more dangerous forces than the normalization of homosexual unions.

Celebration of the homosexual lifestyle as a 'thing to be admired - or entertained by' has a more dilatory effect, along with celebration of single parenthood, than the mere fact of its existence.

To be clear, sex needs to be kept private - regardless of the nature. I would be just as repelled by heterosexual couples whose identity was defined by their particular sexual proclivity. It disgusts me to be force to think about it in a public venue.

By the same token, people should not go out of their way to snoop into what someone's private sex life entails. That is the equivalent of peeping Toms.

Let sex be private.

Now my one opposition to homosexual marriage is teh word itself. To me, 'marriage' has a particular historical connotation = a man and a woman declaring themselves to go forward in life as a unit, rather than two individuals, dedicated to the rearing of the next generation.

For homosexuals to arrange their affairs for mutual benefit should be a no-brainer. But I am just against appropriating new meanings to established words.

For instance, I refuse to use the word "gay" to mean anything other that what it meant 70 years ago when I first learned it. Same with 'marriage' - it has a meaning - find new words to describe new situations. The language is ever expanding.

I seriously object to any new fad insinuating itself into common acceptance by just redefining the language to make it appear 'normal.'

If the right doesn’t care about whether someone is gay or not, why is this so prominent in republican platforms? Why did the right celebrate the clerk who refused to issue marriage licenses? Defense of Marriage Act?

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How many times can you misspell a word in one post

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'Thank you very much - I knew that was wrong, but because autocorrect was satisfied, I was lured into thinking it was right.

I really appreciate the correction, even thought I know you were not trying to be helpful -

But truth is not responsible for the motive of the utterer.

Thanks, sincerely

OH - an frick you very much.

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Why don’t we embrace the gays?

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Why do I have to put in extra effort to embrace people based solely on their sexuality? No one makes a special effort to embrace me for my heterosexuality.

No thanks. I will embrace individuals based on their personality and character..not their sexuality .

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gays are a very low crime demographic.

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Very high rate of pedophilia among them.