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re: Why Don't, Or Why Can't, We Strike Power Plants?
Posted on 6/28/26 at 9:29 am to ronniep1
Posted on 6/28/26 at 9:29 am to ronniep1
Gee, while we’re at it why don’t we crater the hardware store in Iran where the regime had traditionally gotten their JB Weld, zip ties and extra boat plugs to keep their Iranian Navy bateau fleet afloat and in likely working order? Should we lay waste to Uptown Hardware Store located in downtown Tehran due to that obvious connection??

Posted on 6/28/26 at 9:31 am to davyjones
That's a really good imitation of the arguments I see on this. "The regime uses electricity. Therefore, we have a right to strike that source."
Posted on 6/28/26 at 9:33 am to ronniep1
Because we don’t want them to strike alliance infrastructure that would result in thousands or millions of civilian deaths in an area incapable of sustaining urban life without desalinization and power?
Oh and the fact that they could also take oil facilities offline for 3-5 years resulting in a global energy crisis unseen in modern human history.
So I’m gonna guess the short answer is reciprocity.
Oh and the fact that they could also take oil facilities offline for 3-5 years resulting in a global energy crisis unseen in modern human history.
So I’m gonna guess the short answer is reciprocity.
This post was edited on 6/28/26 at 9:34 am
Posted on 6/28/26 at 9:41 am to ronniep1
We can but Trump is being a good man by not wanting their innocent civilians to suffer for months or years.. that's why
Posted on 6/28/26 at 9:41 am to ronniep1
Trump is trying to gain peace by offering a future of economic prosperity….
Power facilities are critical infrastructure for economic growth.
If we state bombing critical infrastructure, it will be a dark future for Iran
Power facilities are critical infrastructure for economic growth.
If we state bombing critical infrastructure, it will be a dark future for Iran
Posted on 6/28/26 at 10:17 am to ronniep1
If the intent of the attack is to level the country (unpopular opinion here, how wars should go if you make the decision to go to war), then yes you attack power source.
ETA: Attack or take control of power source.
ETA: Attack or take control of power source.
This post was edited on 6/28/26 at 10:19 am
Posted on 6/28/26 at 12:16 pm to Bard
quote:I mostly agree, but that cuts both ways.
JFK's policy of having groups like the Green Berets to "win minds and souls" in Vietnam eventually became GWB's "winning hearts and minds" in the Middle East and has continued to be the prevailing policy for conducting warfare to this day even though it hasn't worked nearly as well as the policy of "beat the frick out of them until they beg to surrender" we had with the Axis powers in WW2.
Until we are willing to get out of that mindset and wage war with the goal of forcing the enemy into giving an unconditional surrender because we've brutally beaten them into submission, we are going to see prolonged engagements.
If America chooses war, it needs to wage it with a real plan for decisive victory, not some open-ended “manage the problem forever” half-war where we kill people, spend trillions, rotate administrations, and pretend the next “troop surge” is finally when it all turns around.
The problem is that America does not get an unlimited imperial timeline. We are not uniquely weak or uniquely allergic to long wars. The average medieval peasant disliked war too. We just have elections. That means any war has a short political window before support starts collapsing, especially if the objective is vague and the end goal keeps moving.
There’s a reason the wars we hold up as our greatest military efforts, like the Civil War and World War II, were conducted almost entirely under single administrations. Lincoln had the Civil War. FDR had almost all of World War II, and Truman finished it. Those wars were not passed from administration to administration for twenty years while each new president inherited the last guy’s mess and pretended a revised strategy would finally make it coherent.
So if we are going to war, it needs to be decisive. But that also means we better be extremely careful about choosing war in the first place. “Total war” cannot become the answer every 10 or 15 years because some think-tank dipshit or politically ambitious general thinks this one will be quick, cheap, and morally satisfying.
If the only way to win is to brutally break a country’s capacity to resist within a short timeline, then the bar for starting that war has to be incredibly high.
Posted on 6/28/26 at 1:00 pm to themunch
Slow your roll Kemosabe.
I’m on your side (I think)?
Times have changed. WW2 it appears all Americans were on the same side.
Walter Cronkite had the “we report, you decide” we’re independent thought was OK.
Today, politicians are out to get rich, Democrats are unified and Republicans will eat their own and argue amongst themselves.
Media is against Republicans, lie and make up their own narrative. They have an agenda that is to the detriment of America.
The remaining years of my life will be very different from the first 66.
I’m on your side (I think)?
Times have changed. WW2 it appears all Americans were on the same side.
Walter Cronkite had the “we report, you decide” we’re independent thought was OK.
Today, politicians are out to get rich, Democrats are unified and Republicans will eat their own and argue amongst themselves.
Media is against Republicans, lie and make up their own narrative. They have an agenda that is to the detriment of America.
The remaining years of my life will be very different from the first 66.
Posted on 6/28/26 at 1:20 pm to Bard
There has to be a media blackout and hell unleashed on the IRGC. The opening scene of the Gladiator comes to mind... with modern day technology and warfare.
As Maximus so plainly stated, "Quintas, on my signal, unleash hell!!!"
As Maximus so plainly stated, "Quintas, on my signal, unleash hell!!!"
Posted on 6/28/26 at 1:47 pm to ronniep1
From what I remember hearing sometime back, the Iranians threatened to strike the water facilities of the Arab nations if their power plants were damaged.
Posted on 6/28/26 at 1:54 pm to ronniep1
Then you would bitch when the civilians migrate here and try to behead cousin darryl.
Posted on 6/28/26 at 2:16 pm to RFK
quote:
The problem is destroying them usually has an outsized impact on civilians in the area. That’s why Trump ultimately decided not to, despite his threats to “end civilization” in Iran.
Anything can legally be considered a military target.
Hiroshima and Nagasaki were both full of civilians but they served as crucial factories for making munitions for the Japanese imperial army.
Posted on 6/28/26 at 2:26 pm to Bard
quote:
JFK's policy of having groups like the Green Berets to "win minds and souls" in Vietnam eventually became GWB's "winning hearts and minds" in the Middle East and has continued to be the prevailing policy for conducting warfare to this day even though it hasn't worked nearly as well as the policy of "beat the frick out of them until they beg to surrender" we had with the Axis powers in WW2.
GWB was an absolute dumbass when it came to foreign policy. Saudi Arabia played a clear role in 9/11, yet he decided to wage war against a nomadic insurrectionist group that was scattered all throughout Iraq.
Dude was a massively corrupt politician who was in the pockets of Middle Eastern oil companies.
This post was edited on 6/28/26 at 2:32 pm
Posted on 6/28/26 at 2:54 pm to ronniep1
Because people like the leaders of Iran don’t give two shits about the common people who would be harmed most.
Have you ever heard Let Them Eat Cake.
Have you ever heard Let Them Eat Cake.
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