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Why don’t Muslims realize they need a reformation?

Posted on 5/5/19 at 7:33 pm
Posted by Tunasntigers92
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Posted on 5/5/19 at 7:33 pm
The religion as a whole is incredibly violent, they are killing Christians at an absolutely astronomical rate, it doesn’t take genius to realize that they need to be saved from their own intolerance and dogmatism.
This post was edited on 5/6/19 at 5:36 am
Posted by Bestbank Tiger
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Posted on 5/5/19 at 7:39 pm to
Some do.

They get their heads chopped off in the Middle East, prosecuted for hate speech in Europe, and branded as bigots by the SPLC on the US.
Posted by TrueTiger
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Posted on 5/5/19 at 7:40 pm to
Islam and the West have been at war for 1400 years.

The West has changed, Islam hasn't.
Posted by Tunasntigers92
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Posted on 5/5/19 at 7:42 pm to
But why don’t the “sensible Muslims” push for this, their religion is a fricking stain on humanity.
Posted by TheHarahanian
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Posted on 5/5/19 at 7:43 pm to
They probably went through the pros and cons and decided killing everybody who wouldn’t follow the rules was easier than changing the rules.
Posted by MeatCleaverWeaver
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Posted on 5/5/19 at 7:44 pm to
It’s hard to get away from your religions’s text. For them to not kill infidels would be the same as Christians abandoning the commands of loving God and loving others.
Posted by Dale51
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Posted on 5/5/19 at 7:44 pm to
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Why don’t Muslims realize they need a reformation?


Because "Derka Derka!"
Posted by xiv
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Posted on 5/5/19 at 7:44 pm to
quote:

The religion as a whole is incredibly violent
Posted by Tunasntigers92
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Posted on 5/5/19 at 7:44 pm to
Or they just followed what their Quran told them to do, slaughter non believers
Posted by oogabooga68
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Posted on 5/5/19 at 7:44 pm to
Saying “moderate Muslim” is like saying “moderate Nazi”.

It all springs forth from the same poisoned well.

Posted by Tunasntigers92
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Posted on 5/5/19 at 7:45 pm to
Explain how that’s funny, I’m looking to forward to hearing your explanation
Posted by Captain Rumbeard
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Posted on 5/5/19 at 7:45 pm to
Because you can only make them change a herd think like, once every thousand years or so.
Posted by Tunasntigers92
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Posted on 5/5/19 at 7:47 pm to
Exactly, if a Muslim is a true follower, he is a murderer, the Quran explicitly says to exterminate non believers
Posted by BlackPawnMartyr
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Posted on 5/5/19 at 7:47 pm to
Religion is a political tool to control AND organize (economically and militarily) mass differing populations under a common system. The revolutions of the people haven't done it. Until enough of the population chooses western conveniences over backward systems there will be no change.
Posted by oogabooga68
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Posted on 5/5/19 at 7:48 pm to
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(Remember) when your Lord inspired the angels... "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them"
Posted by Tunasntigers92
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Posted on 5/5/19 at 7:49 pm to
I don’t think Muslims will ever choose western ways, unless they are forced
Posted by prplhze2000
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Posted on 5/5/19 at 7:51 pm to
They had one.

They never had an Enlightenment
Posted by Rebel
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Posted on 5/5/19 at 7:51 pm to
Jihad Report
Apr 27, 2019 -May 03, 2019

Attacks 30
Killed 176
Injured 69
Suicide Blasts 0
Countries 12

The Sri Lanka attacks dropped off the weekly Jihad Report.

They are seriously some violent mofo's.
Posted by FooManChoo
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Posted on 5/5/19 at 7:51 pm to
A Reformation in Islam would be to take it back to Muhammad the war lord. What you want is for Islam to liberalize.
Posted by crazy4lsu
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Posted on 5/5/19 at 7:52 pm to
Arguably, the religion had a reformation from the middle of the 19th to the middle of the 20th century, as you had specifically anti-colonial versions arise, while you also had what was called Islamic Modernism, which eventually lost out to hardliners. You can pair this with what's called the Islamic Revival, which has been a renewal of interest in the faith, spurred on by the failure of secular states to avoid certain pitfalls, such as corruption and authoritarianism. It has been argued that the religion, as its now practiced, is functionally much different than it how it was practiced for most of its history. Some of this is technological, while other aspects of this change is political.

For example, the veneration of saints in Classical Sunni Islam has a very robust history, but the Wahhabis reject it, as it was a practice developed due to the distance to Mecca, and there was no strict Quranic basis for it. That technically is a reform, and from what I gather, the veneration of saints isn't as strong in Islam as it once was. Yet it has a strong cultural history, and the practice is older than the Wahhabi sect itself. The Sufi orders were the nodes of resistance in many places, and thus were targeted by colonizers, which weakened them, if not destroyed them.

I'd suggest there is going to be a massive backlash to the Islamic revival, as the governance that has arisen isn't better than the versions that arose during the secular era. We've seen some evidence of that backlash, in the form of Arab Spring, but I think it's only the beginning.
This post was edited on 5/5/19 at 7:53 pm
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