re: Why don’t Muslims realize they need a reformation?

I have tried to engage with you in a civil manner in the past, and I will continue to try to do so. Sometimes you make that a difficult task, and in response I have sometimes failed to behave as civilly as I would like. Frankly, I do not consider you to be very bright, but that is not an excuse for incivility.

In the referenced thread, you and Shorty made much of my reference to a statement by a retired lawyer who occasionally contributes to the Daily Kos. You call it a beat down. I call it meaningless, petty bickering over minutiae.

Regardless, I have no doubt that you will continue to cling to it as a matter of great significance for many months to come, just as you raised the issue here rather than addressing the actual scholarship re the Sword Verse.

It is who you are. Enjoy yourself.

quote:

---

No no, Lyin Hank wants to play contrarian and defend Muslims who murder in the name of Mo as misguided...

---

Hank sounds misguided.

quote:

---

But why don’t the “sensible Muslims” push for this, their religion is a fricking stain on humanity.

---

bc when you actually develop some level of understanding of the quran and what Muhammad stood for, you understand that they all think the same...there are no sensible muslims

We proved beyond all doubt you are a liar, a hypocrite and a fraud.

You had the chance to be honorable and admit it but you ran away.

Your shtick has been exposed.

Your elitist attitude and raging ego make you easy to predict and control.

We will continue to do so as long as you continue being a pompous d~bag.

quote:

---

addressing the actual scholarship re the Sword Verse.

---

The scholarship on the Koran doesn’t matter if Muslims aren’t paying attention to it.

quote:

---

n the referenced thread, you and Shorty made much of my reference to a statement by a retired lawyer who occasionally contributes to the Daily Kos. You call it a beat down. I call it meaningless, petty bickering over minutiae.

---

Would you now like to take the opportunity to apologize to all those people you attacked for using what YOU consider to be partisan sources?

quote:

---

Hank wants to play contrarian and defend Muslims who murder in the name of Mo as misguided....

---

This is the type of statement that makes it so very difficult to take seriously anything that you post.

At no point did I “defend” anyone who committed any atrocity. To the contrary, I said that their behavior is problematic. What I SAID is that scholars who actually understand the text acknowledge that those persons are misinterpreting it to justify their actions.

Again, it is a distinction that I do not expect you to acknowledge.

quote:

---

What I SAID is that scholars who actually understand the text acknowledge that those persons are misinterpreting it to justify their actions.

---

This is a bit obfuscatory. A large portion of Islam doesn’t hold to the reformed interpretations you’re citing. If Christian scholars told us what Jesus meant when he said “buy a sword,” but 40% of Christianity interpreted it as a call to arms, the scholars opinion isn’t worth shite.

quote:

---

It makes the difference as to whether a given behavior should be attributed to a religion itself of instead to purported adherents to that religion who act in a manner inconsistent with the teachings that they CLAIM to follow.

---

Islam isn’t a unified whole. We all know that. But an incredibly large percentage of Islam is fine with violence to “convert.” You can dance around that all you like. We’ll be over here in the real world.

quote:

---

Please cite a few of those scholars who say the verse is being misinterpreted so we can do a little research on their motives .

---

The Wikipedia precis identifies probably a dozen such scholars. Feel free to research them.

Heck, even one of the ideological founders of the Muslim Brotherhood has acknowledged that the Sword Verse was contextual and does not justify slaughter of adherents to the Abrahamic religions.