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re: Why does Canada want to build a pipeline?

Posted on 1/24/21 at 9:16 am to
Posted by Craig86
Florida
Member since Oct 2012
1918 posts
Posted on 1/24/21 at 9:16 am to
There seems to be a lot of misunderstandings about the pipeline first of all it created about 1000 jobs even though they said it was going to create around 11,000.

Second of all they are not getting petroleum from this pipeline they are getting what’s called tar sand, and once that tar sand is sent to a refinery they use petroleum to refine it about 3 to 4 times more petroleum then would be used for a crude oil. Also it’s very difficult to get to TAr Sand And it is incredibly thick and toxic and the pipeline has already had 12 weeks that cost billions of dollars not to mention Tar Sand when it does leak sinks to the very bottom water level of the land and this pipeline goes over many waterways and a lot of these actually are drinking water and it gets into the water and I also believe that the water provides about 30 to 40% of the irrigation in the United States so it gets into crops ruining farmland and ruining farmers productivity as well.

Last but not least it also invades on indigenous peoples lands and I think in my opinion they have been through enough but some people don’t seem to care at this point.

So basically it does not really create jobs, it violates indigenous treaties that we said we would not violate, it wipes out thousands of boreal forest land, it kills thousands of species of animals by decimating their habitats, it hurts American farmers when the leaks inevitably happen, it cost taxpayers billions of dollars for cleanup. it also uses a lot of petroleum to make usable fuel out of tar sand therefore increasing gasoline prices .These are some of the reasons.
Posted by Azkiger
Member since Nov 2016
26926 posts
Posted on 1/24/21 at 9:16 am to
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as well as rail shipments


There it is. Lick Warren Buffett's boot.
This post was edited on 1/24/21 at 9:18 am
Posted by BoneSpurs
Member since Jan 2021
32 posts
Posted on 1/24/21 at 9:18 am to
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Keystone pipeline is national security. In the event of foreign conflict we have oil supply from the NA continent versus a shakey middle eastern supply source. It would stabilize the North American economies for decades to come.


Mmm, seems like there's plenty of pipe for that. You can see Keystone would go right between two existing pipelines. Most of our foreign oil comes from Canada, Mexico, and Venezuela.

Posted by Niccolo Machiavelli
Member since Jun 2020
1622 posts
Posted on 1/24/21 at 9:18 am to
You hit all the liberal democrat talking points in one post
Posted by Hooligan's Ghost
Member since Jul 2013
5673 posts
Posted on 1/24/21 at 9:26 am to
how does increasing supply increase prices?

Posted by Craig86
Florida
Member since Oct 2012
1918 posts
Posted on 1/24/21 at 9:29 am to
It’s Tar Sand NOT petroleum. The refinery uses petroleum to refine tar sand therefore you are using more petroleum then you are gaining from the process therefore prices go up.
Posted by Chief One Word
Eastern Washington State
Member since Mar 2018
4254 posts
Posted on 1/24/21 at 9:29 am to
Now we know why China hacked and rigged our election or one of many reasons.
Posted by Dawgfanman
Member since Jun 2015
25882 posts
Posted on 1/24/21 at 9:33 am to
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It’s Tar Sand NOT petroleum. The refinery uses petroleum to refine tar sand therefore you are using more petroleum then you are gaining from the process therefore prices go up.


But we will, by 2030, be importing as much of it pipeline or not...our transport costs will just be higher without the pipeline.
Posted by cwill
Member since Jan 2005
54755 posts
Posted on 1/24/21 at 9:33 am to
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Canada will now finish a pipeline that goes to their west coast. That means China.



It will go all over the pacific rim. If it made it to the Houston ship channel it was going anywhere and all over the world. Oil is a fungible product. If the Canadian oil is consumed in the US then other oil from the US and other countries will go to China. Where it’s produced and where it is ultimately consumed doesn’t matter.
Posted by Robin Masters
Birmingham
Member since Jul 2010
34896 posts
Posted on 1/24/21 at 9:37 am to
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It will go all over the pacific rim. If it made it to the Houston ship channel it was going anywhere and all over the world. Oil is a fungible product. If the Canadian oil is consumed in the US then other oil from the US and other countries will go to China. Where it’s produced and where it is ultimately consumed doesn’t matter.


No shite Sherlock. Tell this to retarded enviro-wackos and moronic president who just killed US jobs.

If you were as smart as you think you are you wouldn’t be a flaming dim.

Posted by back9Tiger
Island Coconut Salesman
Member since Nov 2005
17622 posts
Posted on 1/24/21 at 9:38 am to
God you retards on here have no idea how the energy industry works.
Posted by Eli Goldfinger
Member since Sep 2016
32785 posts
Posted on 1/24/21 at 9:38 am to
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2012


Posted by cwill
Member since Jan 2005
54755 posts
Posted on 1/24/21 at 9:40 am to
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If you were as smart as you think you are you wouldn’t be a flaming dim.


Lin Wood level evidence and analysis. Now it all makes sense!
Posted by leeman101
Huntsville, AL
Member since Aug 2020
2425 posts
Posted on 1/24/21 at 9:40 am to
One question I have is about the Canadian ports. Are there times in the winter the ports freeze up and cannot be used?

We all know the ports in the Gulf of Mexico never freezes up.
Posted by Indefatigable
Member since Jan 2019
35698 posts
Posted on 1/24/21 at 9:41 am to
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Are there times in the winter the ports freeze up and cannot be used?


No. At least not the ones relevant to this discussion
Posted by Mid Iowa Tiger
Undisclosed Secure Location
Member since Feb 2008
23776 posts
Posted on 1/24/21 at 9:48 am to
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Now, it is going to go to China.


Can’t be stressed enough. Canada doesn’t like to do business with Chyna but does out of necessity. Especially when their southern neighbors screw them over.
Posted by Robin Masters
Birmingham
Member since Jul 2010
34896 posts
Posted on 1/24/21 at 9:48 am to
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Lin Wood level evidence and analysis. Now it all makes sense!


I hope I am successful enough to one day donate $1MM to my alma mater and have a building named in my honor. Icing in the cake would be a nobody like you sniping from the safety of their daddy’s hand me down iPhone.
Posted by thejudge
Westlake, LA
Member since Sep 2009
15053 posts
Posted on 1/24/21 at 9:54 am to
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Also, don’t think Biden & pals are only going after the pipeline


Warren Buffet bought BNSF railroad. If be curious how much of that oil stop being moved is on those rail lines.
Posted by bluedragon
Birmingham
Member since May 2020
8971 posts
Posted on 1/24/21 at 9:56 am to
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Getting it to market doesn't mean our market only. Getting it to Texas means the oil can be put on ships for the export market. Why would TransCanada want to do something to make their oil cheaper? We get the temporary jobs, they get the permanent economic benefit.


Too bad your sources do not reveal the truth. There are hundreds of full time US jobs necessary to keep that pipeline active and maintained. Far better to keep the oil in North America instead of being shipped overseas.
Posted by oldskule
Down South
Member since Mar 2016
23201 posts
Posted on 1/24/21 at 10:04 am to
Just follow the dollar bill, and you will ALWAYS get your answer.
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