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Why does Canada want to build a pipeline?

Posted on 1/24/21 at 8:43 am
Posted by BoneSpurs
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Posted on 1/24/21 at 8:43 am
During the approval process, TransCanada testified before Parliment that building the Keystone XL would allow them to move a glut of crude out of the midwestern U.S. A glut means low prices. Removing the glut would mean they could sell us the crude at a higher price, maybe a couple of billion per year. I understand why they would want this, I don't understand why you all seem to want it.
Posted by TrueTiger
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Posted on 1/24/21 at 8:45 am to

They were going to sell to the U.S. or to China.

Strategically it was better for both countries to keep it in the neighborhood.

Now, it is going to go to China.
Posted by dstone12
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Posted on 1/24/21 at 8:45 am to
It’s about diversity. You understand DIVERSITY. Riiiight?


I learned about it at my Flesh-Colored-Dick-Hat/Not My President Rally in my neighborhood this morning.
This post was edited on 1/24/21 at 8:48 am
Posted by Eli Goldfinger
Member since Sep 2016
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Posted on 1/24/21 at 8:46 am to
Pipeline jobs

Also, don’t think Biden & pals are only going after the pipeline. They’re after the US & Canada oil industry.

You may not realize, but Biden has “business interests” within the energy sectors of other countries. Remember Burisma Holdings?

It’s better for the Biden syndicate if the US buys oil from sources infiltrated by the Biden syndicate.
This post was edited on 1/24/21 at 8:49 am
Posted by Bow08tie
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Posted on 1/24/21 at 8:48 am to
Bottom line $$$$$$$$$$$$
Posted by Jake88
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Posted on 1/24/21 at 8:49 am to
What caused the glut? How does putting more crude on the market raise prices?
Posted by Nosevens
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Posted on 1/24/21 at 8:50 am to
If you mean removing the glut by getting it to market then that wouldn’t making higher prices , that would mean additional supply which lowers prices. Trump pushing for energy independence kept prices lower which also has a downstream effect on all people and companies
Posted by NineLineBind
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Posted on 1/24/21 at 8:51 am to
That glut of oil would be moved over time, not all at once. Prices would still be controlled by the market.
Posted by upgrayedd
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Posted on 1/24/21 at 8:52 am to
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BoneSpurs

Obvious troll is obvious

Come on, admins
Posted by cwill
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Posted on 1/24/21 at 8:55 am to
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They were going to sell to the U.S. or to China.

Strategically it was better for both countries to keep it in the neighborhood.

Now, it is going to go to China.


How are they going to sell it to China if they can’t move it to the water?

And it doesn’t matter where it comes from or where it goes.

To answer the OP, they wanted to get the oil to the water so they could get better pricing. That’s where the refineries are and where the export market is located...where you can sell to anyone including China.
Posted by BoneSpurs
Member since Jan 2021
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Posted on 1/24/21 at 9:00 am to
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If you mean removing the glut by getting it to market then that wouldn’t making higher prices , that would mean additional supply which lowers prices. Trump pushing for energy independence kept prices lower which also has a downstream effect on all people and companies


Getting it to market doesn't mean our market only. Getting it to Texas means the oil can be put on ships for the export market. Why would TransCanada want to do something to make their oil cheaper? We get the temporary jobs, they get the permanent economic benefit.
Posted by SDVTiger
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Posted on 1/24/21 at 9:01 am to
You think the US was the only one gaining jobs from this?

Posted by RancherReb
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Posted on 1/24/21 at 9:04 am to
How’s the Huff Post these days, boy?
Posted by 257WBY
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Posted on 1/24/21 at 9:07 am to
Canada will now finish a pipeline that goes to their west coast. That means China.
Posted by BoneSpurs
Member since Jan 2021
32 posts
Posted on 1/24/21 at 9:09 am to
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How’s the Huff Post these days, boy?



Not sure, I was reading an article on the Christian Science Monitor from 2012. LINK

"Most analysts agree that more Canadian oil flowing south would help reduce imports from other regions. Less obvious, however, is the fact that the Keystone XL pipeline is not actually needed to bring all that new Canadian oil to the US – a flow now projected to rise to 1.7 million barrels per day by 2030, according to the same DOE study. Often characterized by proponents as validating the need for the pipeline, that study actually found that Canadian oil import growth will go on at “almost identical” levels through 2030 using existing and new pipeline capacity as well as rail shipments – whether or not Keystone XL is built."
Posted by GregMaddux
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Posted on 1/24/21 at 9:10 am to
God i hope youre trolling
Posted by GetmorewithLes
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Posted on 1/24/21 at 9:10 am to
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During the approval process, TransCanada testified before Parliment that building the Keystone XL would allow them to move a glut of crude out of the midwestern U.S. A glut means low prices. Removing the glut would mean they could sell us the crude at a higher price, maybe a couple of billion per year. I understand why they would want this, I don't understand why you all seem to want it.



Keystone pipeline is national security. In the event of foreign conflict we have oil supply from the NA continent versus a shakey middle eastern supply source. It would stabilize the North American economies for decades to come.

The cancellation was a green deal and the short of this is that there is no significant substitute for fossil fuels. The only viable option is solar panels on residential homes which might get you 10-15% reduction.
Posted by Jack Bauers HnK
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Posted on 1/24/21 at 9:12 am to
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as well as rail shipments


Well well, and who owns those?
Posted by C
Houston
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 1/24/21 at 9:12 am to
By using a pipeline you reduce the transportation cost by about $10/bbl. thus making it more competitive with other overseas suppliers. Do you want our refiners to pay more or less for raw materials?
Posted by Dawgfanman
Member since Jun 2015
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Posted on 1/24/21 at 9:14 am to
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that study actually found that Canadian oil import growth will go on at “almost identical” levels through 2030 using existing and new pipeline capacity as well as rail shipments – whether or not Keystone XL is built."


I don’t see any discussion of how prices would compare given the two scenarios that lead to the same outcome.
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