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re: Why do gung ho Trumpers think this election will be different?

Posted on 5/4/23 at 7:43 am to
Posted by BjornIronside
Member since May 2023
116 posts
Posted on 5/4/23 at 7:43 am to
What changes if its Desantis?
Posted by Mid Iowa Tiger
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Posted on 5/4/23 at 7:46 am to
The biggest difference is goin g to be Trumps ground game at ballot harvesting. In 2020 he was caught off guard at the courts responses of “yes, technically this is illegal but with Covid the rules had to change se we are letting those votes count”. Now that the playing field is known Trump has a strategy to put gather the dims where it matters.

He is the only candidate that has the mind to lay out a strategy to win. He beat Hillary not by being a better, more likable candidate but by targeting precincts to get the right number of votes and EVs to win the electoral college.
Posted by Bass Tiger
Member since Oct 2014
46111 posts
Posted on 5/4/23 at 7:47 am to
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Won't be a lot different. Ballot Harvesting with fraudulent votes rules the election, and until Voter ID is enforced any election will be 'rigged'. But like they say "elections have consequences". At some point it won't be talk and elections that determine the fate of what is left of the Nation's fast changing populous. Though AI 'talk' will factor in.


This ^^^ is what the Desantians don't understand. If the Anti America First Consortium decides the R candidate for the presidency is a threat to the system they will try to destroy that person and they will sway and influence the election decidedly in their favor.
Posted by bird35
Georgia
Member since Sep 2012
12179 posts
Posted on 5/4/23 at 7:52 am to
A moderate Republican or at least a Republican who is not associated with Trump will win Georgia (Kemp did).

While a Trump Republican will lose Georgia (Last 3 Senate races).

If Trump can’t win Georgia he can’t win.

I’ll vote for whoever the Republican is in the General but in the Primary I’m voting for DeSantis or Cruz if he runs.

I voted for Cruz in 16 in the primary.

See this as a game of Rock Paper Scissors
Where Trump beats DeSantis, DeSantis beats Biden, Biden beats Trump.

Posted by Steadyhands
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Member since May 2016
6796 posts
Posted on 5/4/23 at 7:54 am to
What's the alternative? Give up and don't vote because dems cheat? We can't say a damn thing about losing an election if we don't at least cast a pointless vote. I will vote for either Trump or Desantis, if that's your hidden point. It is just sad that for once we actually have two great options, and it may not matter. Trump was a shoe in over Biden. Whether Trump losing was legit or not, this country is doomed. On the slim chance it was legit, I will vote again for Trump, or Desantis if that's the option.
Posted by FATBOY TIGER
Valhalla
Member since Jan 2016
8904 posts
Posted on 5/4/23 at 7:55 am to
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in fact I’d argue he’s worse off now than before.


Please explain.

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I don’t think the inflation stuff will be as top of mind next fall as it has been the past year.



Please expand and your thought as to why.
Posted by TrueTiger
Chicken's most valuable
Member since Sep 2004
67935 posts
Posted on 5/4/23 at 7:56 am to
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He had damn near a 50 years record before he ran.


Not as an executive.
This post was edited on 5/4/23 at 7:57 am
Posted by RCDfan1950
United States
Member since Feb 2007
34918 posts
Posted on 5/4/23 at 7:59 am to
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Does Trump have a ballot harvesting plan in place this go round or is he just planning to complain on Twitter like he did in 2020?



A plan to cheat, D? Doubtfully so. True Conservatives (God-fearing) won't go there. Minus Voter ID elections are just an occasion to piss of the Right and give them a clear conscience when the shtf and the gloves come off.

Like they say, "you can't legislate morality". Freedom only works for "a moral and religious people"; I.e., those who believe in and police themselves toward a judgment into their next life. Otherwise, the heathen rage and an Authoritarian Government is required to address that, lest it all go to hell.
Posted by UFMatt
Gator Nation - Everywhere
Member since Oct 2010
11456 posts
Posted on 5/4/23 at 8:03 am to
It's up to all Patriots to be involved in having a fair election. Volunteer, observe, report, stand up and be counted. Be part of the solution or you are part of the problem!
Posted by oldskule
Down South
Member since Mar 2016
15476 posts
Posted on 5/4/23 at 8:04 am to
Swing state cheaters will be out in force!
Posted by CelticDog
Member since Apr 2015
42867 posts
Posted on 5/4/23 at 8:09 am to
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I voted for Cruz in 16 in the primary.


you may have missed the story. the Fox news producer who got fired or quit has a tape of Cruz pitching seditious conspiracy to Maria bartiromo. his plot is identical to Eastman until in Cruz version a blue ribbon panel is appointed and the panel chooses trump as winner.
therefore:
he can't win the general .
Posted by Gusoline
Jacksonville, NC
Member since Dec 2013
7633 posts
Posted on 5/4/23 at 8:16 am to
If the idiots in this country would rather vote for more of what we've experienced the past 3 years instead of what we experiences from 16-covid... we are lost anyway.


I am not settling for an establishment or bought and paid for RINO, because you stubborn cucks think being anti trump makes you morally superior.

Give it back to the man who earned more votes than any sitting president or frick it all.

I experience shitty people every day. I may want the best for humanity but I don't give even 1 squirt of piss personally about any of you beyond me and mine. If you can't use your own brain to vote for the best man for the job based on what he actually did instead of how you're told he did... you deserve what's coming when you vote rino or libertarian.

I am done w the BS. Good times have created too many weak men and we are past due for hard times.
Posted by TrueTiger
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Member since Sep 2004
67935 posts
Posted on 5/4/23 at 8:21 am to
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Ehh Louisiana is voting for a Republican president.


I vote in TX. But should be the same there (if TX is blue, it's over)
Posted by VolcanicTiger
Member since Apr 2022
5933 posts
Posted on 5/4/23 at 8:21 am to
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Personally, I don't think Biden will be the representing the left

Of course not. Who here thinks everyone just now has figured out that maybe the Biden family is corrupt, that the sudden "change of heart" for outing Blinken and Garland was just because a patriotic guy just now had to clear his conscience?

Biden is being obviously pushed out.

quote:

America has seen what liberal policies produce

Yes, I am hopeful, but knowledge only fixes ignorance, not stupidity. Leftists aren't just ignorant, they're stupid. They see what their policies have done to their own homes, move somewhere redder and safer, and start trying to implement the same policies that ruined their last place.
Posted by CelticDog
Member since Apr 2015
42867 posts
Posted on 5/4/23 at 8:35 am to
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the idiots in this country would rather vote for more of what we've experienced the past 3 years instead of what we experiences from 16-covid... we are lost anyway.


I get an interesting map every day. the scope of the Vikings in 1000 c e.. who all says coke, pop, sodapop or cola.
yesterday was color coded so states where more people voted in 2020 than did not vote stood out.
in Texas and the south more people did not vote than did vote in 2020. under 50% voted.

70% registered.
of those registered under 70% voted.
.7 x .7 = .49

what seems to us to be monumental seems not to motivate half the south.
and the numbers are only marginally better in the northeast.
This post was edited on 5/4/23 at 8:38 am
Posted by FooManChoo
Member since Dec 2012
41680 posts
Posted on 5/4/23 at 8:38 am to
If they steal it, it will be stolen regardless of who the nominee is.

In terms of electability, it is easy for people to vote for something different when things are good, or at least not painfully bad. Joe has been a terrible president by all standards and the state of the nation has only gotten worse for most people. Even the most Trump-hating individual will have to think twice about voting for Biden since he has been such a disaster. There may be a lot of Dems that don’t mail in a vote.
Posted by OccamsStubble
Member since Aug 2019
4995 posts
Posted on 5/4/23 at 8:43 am to
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If they steal it, it will be stolen regardless of who the nominee is.


If keeping them from stealing it requires hard work from the Republican Party, and it does, then what you state is untrue, because if someone other than Trump is the candidate, the Party would likely work hard, and if Trump is the candidate, the Party would work toward his defeat.
Posted by BamaScoop
Panama City Beach, Florida
Member since May 2007
53839 posts
Posted on 5/4/23 at 8:45 am to
It’s not going to be different, they will
Not allow Trump back in the White House. This country can only be save when the people choose to take it back with violence. They will not fed control any other way.
Posted by LSUvet72
Member since Sep 2013
11917 posts
Posted on 5/4/23 at 8:47 am to
Republicans need a plan on voting for people who are dead, never voters, illegals, and then changing votes electronically and fight fire with fire and when the Dems bitch ......

If you cant beat them legally cheat like those SOBs.
Posted by JumpingTheShark
America
Member since Nov 2012
22903 posts
Posted on 5/4/23 at 8:57 am to
quote:

Please explain.


Because I think many more people voted against trump in 2020 than did in 2016 and although I think it’s horse shite I think the proceedings against him won’t help.

quote:

Please expand and your thought as to why.


As much as I appreciate the condescending teacher to student tone you’re showing, I will indulge you two things in particular: 1) inflation is bad but is going down and will be lower next fall and the American populace has a short attention span that doesn’t last longer than a media cycle, and 2) which is a big one…please see the midterm results for exhibit A
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