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re: Why do folks try so hard to distinguish between homosexuality and pedophilia?

Posted on 12/11/22 at 11:55 am to
Posted by Esquire
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Posted on 12/11/22 at 11:55 am to
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Forcing that idea down the throats of God-fearing people is just the beginning of an unnatural process which dooms us all.


No fault divorce doomed us far more than letting the homos play house.
Posted by KAGTASTIC
Member since Feb 2022
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Posted on 12/11/22 at 12:24 pm to
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It's not just biblical. Just 100 years ago it was very common for girls in Appalachia to get married at 15. In the 1970s I was spending the summer working on a farm in rural Tenn. I met a young couple who had property nearby. Great kids. The husband was 18 and his wife was 16. She just had their first baby and they were poor but very happy and not on welfare. He worked hard on his crops. She cooked, cleaned, took care of the baby and she actually made all their clothes from fabric instead of buying clothes.


Exactly. And the age of a man isnt as much of an issue. Not many could say they don't have a teen female with an older man in their family lineage.

You are correct it's not all Biblical, but nature. The Bible set rules for morality to civilize man, but nature is nature.

Why Christians need to stop just focusing on the "it's a sin" only approach. Yes it's true, but it's also all natural. The left is not religious but they do like to play the "Mother Nature""environmentalist" card, so reminding them of nature is the approach that should hit home for a true naturalist. Or at least it will prove their hypocrisy.
Posted by Robin Masters
Birmingham
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Posted on 12/11/22 at 12:42 pm to
Above my pay grade but I’ll say this: the idea that because homosexuality occurs in animals means it’s natural and therefore “ok “ is total Bs. Lots of things occur in nature that we abhor.
Mother dogs eat their babies for instance.
Posted by oogabooga68
Member since Nov 2018
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Posted on 12/11/22 at 12:46 pm to
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Most convicted pedophiles don’t identify as gay.


We see how well letting people self-identification has worked.

First of all, pedophiles are pond scum worthy of hanging, so their word means nothing.

Second, any MALE pedophile diddling someone of the same sex is NOT heterosexual, period.
Posted by oogabooga68
Member since Nov 2018
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Posted on 12/11/22 at 12:51 pm to
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Heterosexual Pedophiles outnumber Homosexual Pedophiles by about 10-to-1.


Maybe.

If the numbers you quoted rely on self-identification by the perps, they are way off.

If a man diddles a boy, that perp is gay or bi.

If a woman diddles a girl, that perp is gay or bi.
Posted by oogabooga68
Member since Nov 2018
27194 posts
Posted on 12/11/22 at 12:53 pm to
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Straight white men do the most diddling of both male and female children, and it's not even close.


When a man diddles another male, the perp is not straight, he is gay or bi, period.

Even an idiot can understand this most basic concept.

Straight men don't diddle other males.
Posted by Indefatigable
Member since Jan 2019
25940 posts
Posted on 12/11/22 at 1:11 pm to
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Many non-gays associate gays with trannies and pedos because so many gays and gay groups have accepted those groups (LGBTQANUSblahblahblah), thus the blame for confusion largely falls on the homosexual community itself.

This. The gay people that I know are productive, normal adults that absolutely hate the alphabet community.
Posted by Padme
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Posted on 12/11/22 at 1:26 pm to
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Posted by Gideon Swashbuckler
Member since Sep 2019
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Posted on 12/11/22 at 2:42 pm to
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Pedophilia is not exclusive to the gay community any more than serial killing and mass shooting is exclusive to the white male community.


I don't think you're making the point you think you're making. There are more white people in the US than any other demographic. Naturally they'd commit the majority of any crime.

The % of pedophilia in the homosexual community is remarkable. It's estimated that 5.6% of the American population is LGBTIQ+2Spirit and that they perpetrate one-third of child molestation. What's strange is that information about gays committing child molestation is difficult to come by, because often times if an adult male sexually molests a young boy, the adult male isn't considered gay if he is married to a woman or engages in otherwise so-called "normal" sexual behavior with women.

I've heard literally 100s of convicts in prison admit to having consensual sex with another man, and thise same convicts will deny vehemently being "gay". My point is that if you're an adult male, and you have sex with men/boys, you're gay. It has nothing to do with how you "feel", but what you do. Hell... there are people that have committed murder that don't consider themselves murderers.
Posted by Bard
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Member since Oct 2008
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Posted on 12/11/22 at 4:43 pm to
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The OP isn't saying that Homosexuality and Pedophilia are the same thing - but that they are both "abnormal" or disordered, thus are more related to each other BECAUSE they are disordered action - rather than heterosexuality which is ordered.


Thanks for clearing that up.

To me, abnormal and disordered are not quite the same. Something "abnormal" is simply "not normal" and there can be very subjective views on that. Disorder, at least to me, is a bit more concrete.

With that, something could be "abnormal" but not disordered, especially when we're defining "order" as God's will or His creations. Mammals that lay eggs, for instance. They certainly qualify as "abnormal" but they are God's creations... or does their abnormality make them "other" (I was going to go with something like "Satan-spawn" but couldn't come up with a way to do it without it sounding like assholish snark )?

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Or better said - God created an order to the world that we are supposed to align to - that's the point of literally everything. The more we align with God's will - the more we are ordered. The more we don't - the more we aren't. (There's a slippery slope conversation in here).


So then we come to a question of whether people can be born gay or not (note: this is different than someone saying all people claiming to be -or behaving- gay are born that way). Generally, if someone is old enough they can retrospectively look back and see some they grew up with who were likely born gay or else they've watched kids grow up and could see extreme signs of it in a child. To me, this lends heavily to there being a genetic foundation in there somewhere. If that's true, then doesn't that make such people, by default, part of the order even though they are abnormal?

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Great point, but why do you think that's the case? Because disorder finds itself in other disorders? Because "victimhood," which is NOT understanding what suffering actually, perpetuates itself, thereby perpetuates disorder? Or because the power of those things being related, driven by whatever forces are out there, creates the slippery slope in and of itself?


I think it's the over-empathizing of viewing it through the lens of shared victimhood ("others shunned us because we are different and we didn't like it so how can we subject others who are even more different to that?") combined with the rhetorical amplification of the internet and Hollywood on the very vague subject of "general acceptance of all". So (quite a bit differently than how you see it) I see it as not just understanding the suffering, but understanding it so well they over-compensate for it in an attempt to avoid any possibility of being guilty of doing it themselves. There seems to be a grand fear of hypocrisy in overly-empathic philosophy. It makes the Golden Rule (do unto others as you would have them do unto you) into a sophist quagmire.
Posted by oogabooga68
Member since Nov 2018
27194 posts
Posted on 12/11/22 at 5:16 pm to
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To me, abnormal and disordered are not quite the same. Something "abnormal" is simply "not normal" and there can be very subjective views on that. Disorder, at least to me, is a bit more concrete.


Simply put, Heterosexuality is the default setting for humans, period.

Posted by thatsnotmydog
Parts Unknown
Member since Nov 2013
369 posts
Posted on 12/12/22 at 2:17 pm to
No problem with spelling both out. Problem is equating the two. Homos aren’t pedos and pedos aren’t homos. Not aging either is normal or right but pero is way worse than homo. I don’t use curse words because I don’t want to get banned from forum. I also don’t go to church very often and when I do it’s good ole sacred heart.
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