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re: Why do churches get so worked up over gays?
Posted on 2/17/20 at 1:56 pm to LSUFanHouston
Posted on 2/17/20 at 1:56 pm to LSUFanHouston
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It's hard for me to believe that God is ok with a pastor using God's name to earn millions of dollars and own jets
Who said He was?
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Posted on 2/17/20 at 1:57 pm to kingbob
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there’s nothing about alcohol anywhere near that explicit or direct.
Your statement isn't exactly accurate. There are several hundred passages, but here's a sampling.
1 Timothy 3:2
A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach;
Titus 2:12
Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world
This one tells you to be woke!
1 Thessalonians 5:6
Therefore let us not sleep, as do others; but let us watch and be sober.
Romans 14:21
It is good neither to eat flesh, nor to drink wine, nor any thing whereby thy brother stumbleth, or is offended, or is made weak.
Proverbs 20:1
Wine is a mocker, strong drink is raging: and whosoever is deceived thereby is not wise.
Isaiah 5:11
Woe unto them that rise up early in the morning, that they may follow strong drink; that continue until night, till wine inflame them!
Posted on 2/17/20 at 1:57 pm to SOSFAN
Let me just state that too many people feel like they have to be accepted by others. I'm gay and I don't give a shite if you accept me or not also I don't need nor ask your acceptance. As long as I have an equal opportunity to make my way in life then that's all that matters.
Posted on 2/17/20 at 1:58 pm to moneyg
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The hubris in this post is impressive. Your belief is one thing. Thinking your belief should be adopted by others...including an entire religion is another.
People can believe what they want to believe, I'm just pointing out the inconsistencies.
Posted on 2/17/20 at 1:59 pm to xiv
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There can’t be a push to normalize something that wasn’t previously marginalized.
The church isn’t responding to the push to normalize gays. It’s the other way around, and the membrane of one’s bubble has to be pretty thick to prevent one from seeing this.
Marginalized by what forces? When people talk about exclusion they rarely discuss anything but some boogey man of vindictive human action rather than the traits of the "marginalized" which put them naturally on the outside of historical societies.
Certainly, the church had a role in actively marginalizing gay people. But all of that ill-spirited (arguably) human intervention is a fraction of what kept gay people on the fringes of most societies. Normalization requires outsider status, but it doesn't require marginalization in the way that term is typically used in these discussions ("but for some force doing something with this ill intent, ______ would not be excluded").
Posted on 2/17/20 at 2:00 pm to SOSFAN
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As long as I have an equal opportunity to make my way in life then that's all that matters
As an American citizen you should be able to
Does your conviction go as far as defending the rights of a Christian florist or baker?
Posted on 2/17/20 at 2:01 pm to ShortyRob
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That's just naive. I can hear the words hostile work environment on this one from a thousand miles away.
Hostile work environment would involve someone impacting the work environment through their words and/or actions. You said they don't "say a damn thing" and I assume (but I may be wrong) they don't do a damn thing either.
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I'm a professional musician in my side time. Of the classical and chamber music variety. I suspect that in the last 30 years I've dealt with more gays in an average week then most people do in a year
And I'm here to tell you gays are militant as frick and if you think your average black employee play the race card every time something goes wrong you wait till somebody decides to make being gay a protected group. Cuz you ain't seen nothing yet.
Don't most activists tend to be the creative type?
I think it would be more likely a gay musician would be an activist, compared to say, a gay petroleum engineer.
Posted on 2/17/20 at 2:02 pm to xiv
quote:You’re conflating the general teaching of the Church against homosexuality with the supposed rise in or focus on homosexuality in the preaching these days.
There can’t be a push to normalize something that wasn’t previously marginalized.
The church isn’t responding to the push to normalize gays. It’s the other way around, and the membrane of one’s bubble has to be pretty thick to prevent one from seeing this.
Yes, Christianity has historically taught that homosexuality is one of many sexual sins to repent of, but pastors didn’t collude one day and decide to start preaching against it exclusively to the neglect of all other sins, prompting a response by the culture.
No, the culture has shifted, glorifying sexuality of all kinds more and more, and especially “preaching” the normalization of homosexuality which has prompted pastors to take on the issue more and more to combat the frequent exposure the congregations have to it.
Posted on 2/17/20 at 2:03 pm to Revelator
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Jesus preaches against constantly in the New Testament.
Can you point to what books of the Bible Jesus preaches this for those looking for scripture on it?
Posted on 2/17/20 at 2:05 pm to LSUFanHouston
quote:have you seen some of the things that women playing hostile work environment over?
Hostile work environment would involve someone impacting the work environment through their words and/or actions. You said they don't "say a damn thing
That's the bar
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Don't most activists tend to be the creative type?
I think it would be more likely a gay musician would be an activist, compared to say, a gay petroleum engineer
I suppose there's some merit to this. But just know that a lot of those creative types are like me and have real jobs to pay the bills
Posted on 2/17/20 at 2:07 pm to mindbreaker
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No they don't. they just want you to mind your own business.
You think its a sin - so what keep it to yourself
This is retarded. A church suggesting what is a sin and what isn't a sin is pretty reasonable.
Posted on 2/17/20 at 2:10 pm to Pettifogger
quote:Pardon me for not answering this question comprehensively. It would destroy this site’s bandwidth.
Marginalized by what forces?
Gays weren’t allowed to marry each other in several states less than seven years ago. That’s the modern landmark example of previous marginalization.
Posted on 2/17/20 at 2:11 pm to LSUFanHouston
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People can believe what they want to believe, I'm just pointing out the inconsistencies.
You really aren't.
This is about religion and a comparison of sins. The obvious difference is that, of the examples in this thread, homosexuality is the only example where it is not accepted as a sin...there is no desire to change the sinful behavior...and there is an expectation for the religion to change.
Posted on 2/17/20 at 2:11 pm to tilco
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Gays and drunks are welcome in church. I don’t want the drunk guy to be a preacher either
Posted on 2/17/20 at 2:12 pm to FooManChoo
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conflating
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sexuality of all kinds
Posted on 2/17/20 at 2:14 pm to xiv
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Gays weren’t allowed to marry each other in several states less than seven years ago. That’s the modern landmark example of previous marginalization.
And the centuries preceding said laws where it was highly uncommon for gays to engage in matrimony, religious or civic? What were the marginalizing actions there?
Posted on 2/17/20 at 2:15 pm to xiv
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Pardon me for not answering this question comprehensively. It would destroy this site’s bandwidth.
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Gays weren’t allowed to marry each other in several states less than seven years ago.
Marriage was, and should still be between a man and a woman. I'm sorry you feel differently. I'm especially sorry the government feels differently. That's just my belief. I also accept the government's decision, so long as they don't force my church to perform the ceremony. But no gay couple would ask my church to perform the ceremony unless they were attempting some sort of stunt. Sort of a you stay out of my lane and I'll stay out of your lane sort of thing.
And if that makes you feel marginalized (I know it doesn't, but you know what I mean) then I'm sorry. It is what it is.
Posted on 2/17/20 at 2:16 pm to xiv
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Gays weren’t allowed to marry each other in several states less than seven years ago.
Gays haven’t gotten married for thousands of years. That’s not unique to churches.
That’s because we understood the basic concept of marriage was propagation of the species and society. Now we’re pretending it’s not that at all.
Posted on 2/17/20 at 2:16 pm to xiv
quote:You're going to have to explain your objection because I was very clear in what I saying.quote:
conflatingquote:
sexuality of all kinds
Posted on 2/17/20 at 2:17 pm to moneyg
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A church suggesting what is a sin and what isn't a sin is pretty reasonable.
Go to a country church after the sermon has been on gluttony... see how many people think it's high time for that preacher to get going. Or if it's a visiting pastor... well, he just can't be invited back again.
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