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why did the US military lose its prestige/gatekeeping ability so rapidly?
Posted by GreatLakesTiger24



not long ago, you had to serve to be anyone.
now, it's relatively rare that anyone who is "anyone" had served and it becomes less common each passing year.
why did this happen?
now, it's relatively rare that anyone who is "anyone" had served and it becomes less common each passing year.
why did this happen?
re: why did the US military lose its prestige/gatekeeping ability so rapidly?Posted by BluegrassBelle
on 9/15/23 at 9:12 pm to GreatLakesTiger24

quote:
why did this happen?
Less large scale conflicts that resulted in us sending large numbers of troops?
re: why did the US military lose its prestige/gatekeeping ability so rapidly?Posted by idlewatcher
on 9/15/23 at 9:12 pm to GreatLakesTiger24

Steady decline in pointless wars more than likely.
I know personally that the Army is accepting idiots which really isn’t a new thing for them tbh. I suppose desperate times call for desperate cadets. Sad reality however you cut it
I know personally that the Army is accepting idiots which really isn’t a new thing for them tbh. I suppose desperate times call for desperate cadets. Sad reality however you cut it
re: why did the US military lose its prestige/gatekeeping ability so rapidly?Posted by GeauxxxTigers23
on 9/15/23 at 9:13 pm to GreatLakesTiger24

We’ve decided that educating and promoting women in society is the most important virtue one can have.
re: why did the US military lose its prestige/gatekeeping ability so rapidly?Posted by 4WHLN
on 9/15/23 at 9:13 pm to GreatLakesTiger24

You serious Clark? Would you want to serve this clown administration?
re: why did the US military lose its prestige/gatekeeping ability so rapidly?Posted by GreatLakesTiger24
on 9/15/23 at 9:14 pm to 4WHLN


quote:i figured this was coming but it started closer to 40 years ago than 4 years so
You serious Clark? Would you want to serve this clown administration?
re: why did the US military lose its prestige/gatekeeping ability so rapidly?Posted by AlextheBodacious on 9/15/23 at 9:16 pm to GreatLakesTiger24
quote:
not long ago, you had to serve to be anyone.
Yeah the military was a lifelong dream for Elvis, Jimmi Hendrix, and Bobby Murcer.
quote:
why did this happen?
They ended the draft in ‘72 lol. How old are you?
re: why did the US military lose its prestige/gatekeeping ability so rapidly?Posted by Arthur Bach
on 9/15/23 at 9:17 pm to GreatLakesTiger24

quote:
not long ago, you had to serve to be anyone.
No..where did you get this shitty take from?
re: why did the US military lose its prestige/gatekeeping ability so rapidly?Posted by H2O Tiger
on 9/15/23 at 9:20 pm to GreatLakesTiger24

quote:
not long ago, you had to serve to be anyone.

re: why did the US military lose its prestige/gatekeeping ability so rapidly?Posted by Gigi 4
on 9/15/23 at 9:21 pm to GreatLakesTiger24


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re: why did the US military lose its prestige/gatekeeping ability so rapidly?Posted by kciDAtaE on 9/15/23 at 9:27 pm to GreatLakesTiger24
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not long ago, you had to serve to be anyone.
What? Last US president to serve in military was 30 years ago. And his service predates the Beatles.
re: why did the US military lose its prestige/gatekeeping ability so rapidly?Posted by BluegrassBelle
on 9/15/23 at 9:33 pm to GreatLakesTiger24

quote:
i figured this was coming but it started closer to 40 years ago than 4 years so
In 1968 we had over a million troops deployed overseas. As someone else mentioned, the draft ended in 1972. The lowest number of active US military members deployed overseas was in 1999 (at around 200k) but obviously got a boost shortly after with 9/11.
The following wars kept numbers of active US military members higher than normal within about a 60 year span:
World War I - 1914 to 1918
World War II - 1939 to 1945
Korean War - 1950 to 1953
Vietnam War - 1955 to 1975
Then you had:
Gulf War - 1990 to 1991
War in Afghanistan - 2001 to 2021
To put it simply, we fight wars by proxy these days with the least amount of US active military deployed possible.
US Troop Deployment Overseas
This post was edited on 9/15 at 9:34 pm
re: why did the US military lose its prestige/gatekeeping ability so rapidly?Posted by OweO
on 9/15/23 at 9:35 pm to GreatLakesTiger24

quote:
not long ago, you had to serve to be anyone.
What?
re: why did the US military lose its prestige/gatekeeping ability so rapidly?Posted by Jason9782003
on 9/15/23 at 9:35 pm to GreatLakesTiger24

All of my uncles on my dad's side of my family including my dad served in the military. My grandparents certainly could not afford college. When you turned 18 and graduated high school you were considered an adult, and you were expected to move on into adulthood. The military was essentially their trade school, and they all did very well for themselves.
Nowadays, it's assumed college is a necessary path to success, and you're still considered a kid at 18-22 years old.
Expectations have definitely changed.
Nowadays, it's assumed college is a necessary path to success, and you're still considered a kid at 18-22 years old.
Expectations have definitely changed.
This post was edited on 9/15 at 9:43 pm
re: why did the US military lose its prestige/gatekeeping ability so rapidly?Posted by Shamoan
on 9/15/23 at 9:41 pm to GreatLakesTiger24

The infatuation with homosexuality happened. We lost all credibility
re: why did the US military lose its prestige/gatekeeping ability so rapidly?Posted by sjmabry
on 9/15/23 at 9:42 pm to Jason9782003

quote:This
When you turned 18 and graduated high school you were considered an adult, and you were expected to move on into adulthood. The military was essentially their trade school, and they all did very well for themselves. Nowadays, everyone is expected to go to college, and you're still considered a kid at 18-22 years old. Expectations have definitely changed.
re: why did the US military lose its prestige/gatekeeping ability so rapidly?Posted by Cheese Grits
on 9/15/23 at 9:49 pm to GreatLakesTiger24

During the Civil War, those of means were able the buy their way out of service to their country and instead profit greatly for themselves. This was in opposition of those who had come before them to serve a country and escape the vestiges of the countries they left to be free, even if it was to endure hardship.
As a young man I sat the feet that who have served (both wealthy and poor side by side) to once again serve a country over themselves. Many of those since have returned to the service of self and have lost that wich so many died for.
The question you should ask, is not what we have lost today, but what we will teach the future if we are to regain the honor of service to others over self and continue a past well in to those who come after all of us are long dead and dust.
As a young man I sat the feet that who have served (both wealthy and poor side by side) to once again serve a country over themselves. Many of those since have returned to the service of self and have lost that wich so many died for.
The question you should ask, is not what we have lost today, but what we will teach the future if we are to regain the honor of service to others over self and continue a past well in to those who come after all of us are long dead and dust.
This post was edited on 9/15 at 10:01 pm
re: why did the US military lose its prestige/gatekeeping ability so rapidly?Posted by kciDAtaE on 9/15/23 at 9:52 pm to Jason9782003
quote:
Expectations have definitely changed.
Agreed.
But reality has also changed. US military would rather a college graduate than a high school graduate. War is different these days.
re: why did the US military lose its prestige/gatekeeping ability so rapidly?Posted by LemmyLives
on 9/15/23 at 9:56 pm to Arthur Bach

quote:
No..where did you get this shitty take from?
Likely referring to WWII recruits that were rated 4F, undraftable, who killed themselves because they weren't allowed to enlist. Similarly, the amount of shame dumped on Brits that didn't volunteer in WWI was amazing.
The phenomenon is cyclical, but will always repeat. Just speaking from personal observation as a military brat and an enlisted puke, it's not complicated. Democratic administrations, for decades, have prioritized anything but the military's primary job. Win, and don't waste lives doing it.
We had 19K (tankers) in the nasty guard in the 90s that told me they didn't have enough diesel to use their actual M1s to drill. They had to build a symbolic hull out of 2x4s, and the crew would pick it up to move it around to simulate defilade, etc.
Nothing, ever, should be more important than keeping your buddies/crewmen/etc as safe as they can be, ethically, of course. No sensitivity training, quotas, etc. It was skidding faster downhill during Biden than I've ever seen it, though. His appointment of Joint Chiefs, SecDef, and their complete stupidity is astounding, though. All political appointees are political appointees, but the recent ones are spectacularly bad at understanding warfighting is job 1. Not climate risks, sustainability goals to move the armed forces to electric vehicles, etc.
The US Navy has had more collision incidents in the last five years than I remember happening in the first 20 years of my life. But, diversity training! I think the first rule of a Navy is "Don't fall overboard," and the second rule is "don't run into shite with your boat." We have failed. SecDef, Joint Chiefs, etc., all would rather push DEI at the Naval Academy, as an example, than worry about key priorities. I don't want 2 spirit captains that are POC, I want captains that are accountable and understand every sailor on the boat depends on them, their training schemes, and judgement. But that takes a backseat these days.
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