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re: Why did the federal govt feel the need to create a dept of education in the first place?

Posted on 3/20/25 at 6:02 pm to
Posted by 4cubbies
Member since Sep 2008
53892 posts
Posted on 3/20/25 at 6:02 pm to
In case this isn’t just a circle jerk bitch fest and you’re actually interested in an answer.

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Although the Department is a relative newcomer among Cabinet-level agencies, its origins goes back to 1867, when President Andrew Johnson signed legislation creating the first Department of Education. Its main purpose was to collect information and statistics about the nation's schools. However, due to concern that the Department would exercise too much control over local schools, the new Department was demoted to an Office of Education in 1868.

Over the years, the office remained relatively small, operating under different titles and housed in various agencies, including the U.S. Department of the Interior and the former U.S. Department of Health Education and Welfare (now Health and Human Services).

Beginning in the 1950s, political and social changes resulted in expanded federal funding for education. The successful launch of the Soviet Union's Sputnik in 1957 spurred nationwide concern that led to increased aid for science education programs. The 1960s saw even more expansion of federal education funding: President Lyndon Johnson's "War on Poverty" called for the creation of many programs to improve education for poor students at all levels—early childhood through postsecondary. This expansion continued in the 1970s with national efforts to help racial minorities, women, people with disabilities and non-English speaking students gain equal access to education. In October 1979, Congress passed the Department of Education Organization Act (Public Law 96-88). Created by combining offices from several federal agencies, the Department began operations in May 1980.



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Posted by TigerBaitOohHaHa
Member since Jan 2023
1116 posts
Posted on 3/20/25 at 6:08 pm to
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Their children inherit IQ from genes. You can't fix it with a federal dept.


You are wrong. I saw on multiple news channels that all children have the same IQ. It is white supremacy that is keeping the others down. Except for Asians, because they are 'white' under this argument, obviously.
Posted by Dandy Lion
Member since Feb 2010
51147 posts
Posted on 3/20/25 at 6:09 pm to
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Constitution doesn’t have anything about a DOGE either. But I guess that’s diffe(R)ent.

Very different.

You may want to brush up on your political knowledge. Broadbrushing the Republican party like that is a tremenous faux pas. More are like dims, than those that are not. Swamp creatures. Deep state. Start a war, make money. Cronyism. Nepotism.

Anyway, when the constitution was authored, I'm sure they weren't thinking about the lying, cheating, thieving, inefficient turncoats that would appear later.

This post was edited on 3/20/25 at 7:30 pm
Posted by TigerBaitOohHaHa
Member since Jan 2023
1116 posts
Posted on 3/20/25 at 6:11 pm to
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You can throw all the money you want at some people and they will still not have the ability to learn and retain relevant things....


At which point, why bother to educate them at all? Create a fund with the $20k per year it would have cost to educate them and give them a stipend at 18 until retirement when they can have the principal too. At only $20k per year it would be almost a half a million. If state spends $40k/year (as some do) that student would have just under a million dollars. This is only compounding through the 15th year of education. Assuming principal stays intact, it would be well north of that.

Can someone who is unable to retain relevant things net this much cash, after taxes in a life time of work?

This post was edited on 3/20/25 at 6:24 pm
Posted by ABearsFanNMS
Formerly of tLandmass now in Texas
Member since Oct 2014
18863 posts
Posted on 3/20/25 at 6:16 pm to
Jimmy Carter wanted a way to launder money to the teacher unions.
Posted by Purple Spoon
Hoth
Member since Feb 2005
19277 posts
Posted on 3/20/25 at 6:17 pm to
Hopefully we are trending towards the realization that communities that demand quality schools create quality school districts not the government.

Parents holding their kids accountable creat schools that quality teachers want to work at. Quality kids, involved parents and quality teachers create productive learning environments. No amount of money or government initiatives can change that.
Posted by ABearsFanNMS
Formerly of tLandmass now in Texas
Member since Oct 2014
18863 posts
Posted on 3/20/25 at 6:18 pm to
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Why do rich people have higher IQ? What genes makes them smarter?


Hot chicks like guys with great big…..brains. Thus their offspring are hot and brilliant.
Posted by Wally Sparks
Atlanta
Member since Feb 2013
31490 posts
Posted on 3/20/25 at 6:19 pm to
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Up until 1980, it did not exist.


It existed under the Department of Health, Education, and Welfare.
Posted by Pax Regis
Alabama
Member since Sep 2007
14302 posts
Posted on 3/20/25 at 7:13 pm to
Grift and fraud.
Posted by Diamondawg
Mississippi
Member since Oct 2006
34888 posts
Posted on 3/20/25 at 7:44 pm to
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Why do rich people have higher IQ
Maybe it's because they applied their higher IQ to acquire wealth. Just a thought.
Posted by BobBoucher
Member since Jan 2008
18069 posts
Posted on 3/20/25 at 8:22 pm to
In theory it’s not a bad idea to measure state performance against a baseline of some kind and put pressure on poor performers.

But that’s obviously not its mission.
Posted by Lakeboy7
New Orleans
Member since Jul 2011
25316 posts
Posted on 3/20/25 at 8:23 pm to
Have you ever been to Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama?
Posted by choupiquesushi
yaton rouge
Member since Jun 2006
32582 posts
Posted on 3/20/25 at 8:24 pm to
Teacher's union wanted it. and well Democrats for over 100 years have wanted more government.
Posted by HailHailtoMichigan!
Mission Viejo, CA
Member since Mar 2012
71357 posts
Posted on 3/20/25 at 8:29 pm to
Are you aware of something called a cost-benefit analysis

I don’t know how you can look at school performance data since May 1980 and come away with the conclusion that dept of education funding would be better spent elsewhere
Posted by Lakeboy7
New Orleans
Member since Jul 2011
25316 posts
Posted on 3/20/25 at 8:44 pm to
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I don’t know how you can look at school performance data since May 1980 and come away with the conclusion that dept of education funding would be better spent elsewhere


What was the cost in federal dollars per student in each of those states since 1980?.
Posted by junkfunky
Member since Jan 2011
34967 posts
Posted on 3/20/25 at 8:52 pm to
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Jimmy Carter


Yep. He had a soft spot for black people so he went LCD with education like he thought they weren't smart or something. Kinda fricked way of thinking for a Christian.
Posted by Sweep Da Leg
Member since Sep 2013
1556 posts
Posted on 3/21/25 at 7:06 am to
Jimmy Carter needed a way to pay back the unions (specifically teachers unions) for winning him the election. This is what they wanted to give them control over the money.

Different but still similar to how the national anti abortion movement screeched when Trump threw abortions back to the states. It’s much much much harder to control money in 50 states vs one big federal consolidation. It’s Marxism 101
This post was edited on 3/21/25 at 7:08 am
Posted by UncleFestersLegs
Member since Nov 2010
14062 posts
Posted on 3/21/25 at 7:12 am to
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I don’t know how you can look at school performance data since May 1980 and come away with the conclusion that dept of education funding would be better spent elsewhere
Harvard which has a 3.7% acceptance rate is now offering remedial math classes to incoming students. That's where we are.
Posted by LRB1967
Tennessee
Member since Dec 2020
21122 posts
Posted on 3/21/25 at 7:28 am to
There was a department of Health, Education, and Welfare. Carter decided to make education a separate department.
Posted by FlyDownTheField83
Auburn AL
Member since Dec 2021
1079 posts
Posted on 3/21/25 at 8:02 am to
In case you are interested in the real answer:

Carter wanted the NEA teachers union endorsement in the 1976 election, they agreed to give it (first time ever) if he would get the DOE created. After he won the election he rallied the Democrats to to carve out DOE as its own agency and used NEA guidance to help get it organized. This was reported on by Reuters and Mondale gave an interview describing his part in setting up the quid pro quo.

So, go ahead and keep up the propaganda fest, but some of us are not fooled.
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