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re: Why Are White Men Stockpiling Guns?
Posted on 5/19/18 at 4:00 pm to Ace Midnight
Posted on 5/19/18 at 4:00 pm to Ace Midnight
Like I said, the Cliven Bundy standoff shows what a well armed populace can achieve. The biggest disadvantage of the government in an armed revolt is that they have to have good PR. The VC, NVA, Somalis, AQAP, AQI, and Taliban have proven that it's their biggest weakness.
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Posted on 5/19/18 at 4:00 pm to Ace Midnight
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Libertarians don't normally resort to appeals to emotion. If we're going down that road, we can justify all sorts of government. "Go tell that to the family of the kid that overdosed." "Go tell that to the family destroyed by Mr. X's gambling/porn/marijuana habit." Etc.
Huge difference between harm to one's self and harm inflicted upon others.
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I'm not predicting the future collapse of society - I'm saying I can't predict the future, so I want to have as flexible response as I can have under the circumstances.
Nah, but you're staying armed and ready for it.
Posted on 5/19/18 at 4:01 pm to Ace Midnight
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American citizens should be trusted to employ anything a rifle squad or law enforcement tactical team has. We face the same threats they do.
Why not more? Why shouldn't the average citizen be trusted to own and keep the same weapons that the government owns and operates if they can afford them?
Posted on 5/19/18 at 4:01 pm to CollegeFBRules
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Go tell that to the parents of the kids in Santa Fe and Parkland. Tell that the kids and spouses of the people in Vegas. That's just this year, and it's not all encompassing in any way.
How is taking away my guns that have never killed anyone, nor ever will, the answer?
And you never answered my question from the previous thread.
Why were there no mass school shootings when I attended high school 30+ years ago, even though we had access to plenty of guns and had guns in our vehicles on campus?
I mean, since guns are the problem.
This post was edited on 5/19/18 at 4:03 pm
Posted on 5/19/18 at 4:02 pm to CollegeFBRules
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Those legitimately are facts.
No one is arguing that those events happened. Sorry you're having difficulty following.
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I don't disagree, but the majority of responses in this thread would lend themselves to still do nothing.
So would most of the opposition's responses.
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No one will ever take you seriously when you choose to go with feelings over facts.
This is about control and handing that control over to the government. That's simply a fact.
Posted on 5/19/18 at 4:02 pm to CollegeFBRules
quote:Quite possibly. Unfortunately I don’t personally kniow everyone on SSDI. I reckon you (nor the government) does either.
If you can't handle your finances or are under the care of a third party for managing your day to day affairs, you think that person should still be able to own a gun?
And the idea that receding benefits equates to due processi.. well... silly.
This post was edited on 5/19/18 at 4:07 pm
Posted on 5/19/18 at 4:03 pm to CollegeFBRules
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Why shouldn't the average citizen be trusted to own and keep the same weapons that the government owns and operates if they can afford them?
You dumbass. Citizens own full auto 50 cals, mini guns and tanks. The same shite you find in Iraq
Posted on 5/19/18 at 4:03 pm to CollegeFBRules
quote:False all you need is PC.
we don't and can't look at people's medical records,
Posted on 5/19/18 at 4:04 pm to CollegeFBRules
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Huge difference between harm to one's self and harm inflicted upon others.
A 19-year old with a heroin problem doesn't harm his family? bullshite.
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Nah, but you're staying armed and ready for it.
If I describe for you a hypothetical chaotic situation in your neighborhood/community 3 years from now. May be weather, may be civil unrest, may be some other natural disaster - but it will be widespread and severe for a period of, say 30 days. You will have most of your immediate family with you or nearby when this calamity occurs.
You have to choose right now whether to be armed when that time comes or unarmed.
Which do you choose?
Posted on 5/19/18 at 4:04 pm to upgrayedd
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No one is arguing that those events happened. Sorry you're having difficulty following.
I'm not, you just invalidated your earlier statement.
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This is about control and handing that control over to the government. That's simply a fact.
We're both stating facts on our side of the line, but no one is budging. I won't ask for everyone's guns, but let's make some damn headway on getting them out of the hands of people with diagnosed mental illness.
Posted on 5/19/18 at 4:04 pm to CollegeFBRules
quote:Yes it is, but it was hijacked by racists back when it was gaining traction and was transformed into the racist BLM movement.
Police militarization is a real issue.
Posted on 5/19/18 at 4:04 pm to CollegeFBRules
I remember a time when blacks weren't allowed to have guns, but only whites. It wasn't a very good time for the unarmed side.
Posted on 5/19/18 at 4:05 pm to CollegeFBRules
quote:Why is this even something to worry about?
If you can't handle your finances or are under the care of a third party for managing your day to day affairs, you think that person should still be able to own a gun?
We having a rash of such people committing gun crime?
Posted on 5/19/18 at 4:06 pm to tjv305
quote:i hope that it does not go that far, but i have been ready for years if/when it does....i would much prefer God to do it like He did with sodom and gomorrah
So this article basically says that liberals would get destroyed in a civil war .
Posted on 5/19/18 at 4:06 pm to Ace Midnight
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A 19-year old with a heroin problem doesn't harm his family? bullshite.
How do they? If it's your kid, then I'm sorry. If it's not, how does that kid hurt you?
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If I describe for you a hypothetical chaotic situation in your neighborhood/community 3 years from now. May be weather, may be civil unrest, may be some other natural disaster - but it will be widespread and severe for a period of, say 30 days. You will have most of your immediate family with you or nearby when this calamity occurs.
Dude, stop. We don't play in hypotheticals of the world that could be and we don't legislate for that kind of silliness.
Posted on 5/19/18 at 4:07 pm to CollegeFBRules
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Why not more?
Because "more" would be disproportionate to the threat - and thus unreasonable. This is like the nuclear weapons fallacy you want to argue for gun control. It's not valid. A rifle squad is the best model for a citizen militia, because that's about the limit of organizational control that can reasonable be exercised. Again, we face the same threat as OUR government does at that level.
We don't need ICBMs or long-range bombers to protect our familes, homes, communities, and collectively the nation, from anything. However, we do need rifles, pistols and machineguns. That's the floor for "right to keep and bear arms."
Period.
Posted on 5/19/18 at 4:07 pm to ShortyRob
No, Rob, it's in response to that not being a disqualifier from owning a gun. This actually is something that goes back to the last discussion you and I had.
Posted on 5/19/18 at 4:07 pm to CollegeFBRules
Ye , I admit you are racist and fascist.
Posted on 5/19/18 at 4:08 pm to CollegeFBRules
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I'm not, you just invalidated your earlier statement.
I said, gun violence is at an all time low or near an all time low. You went on a rant about SF and Vegas. You merely dodged the fact that I stated because it didn't jive with your feeling.
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We're both stating facts on our side of the line, but no one is budging. I won't ask for everyone's guns, but let's make some damn headway on getting them out of the hands of people with diagnosed mental illness.
I've already stated that I'm open to that as long as it's done with due process. Not like this no-fly list bullshite.
Posted on 5/19/18 at 4:08 pm to Ace Midnight
quote:That is essentially my stance as well.
Because "more" would be disproportionate to the threat - and thus unreasonable. This is like the nuclear weapons fallacy you want to argue for gun control. It's not valid. A rifle squad is the best model for a citizen militia, because that's about the limit of organizational control that can reasonable be exercised. Again, we face the same threat as OUR government does at that level.
We don't need ICBMs or long-range bombers to protect our familes, homes, communities, and collectively the nation, from anything. However, we do need rifles, pistols and machineguns. That's the floor for "right to keep and bear arms."
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