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re: Why are we doing this??

Posted on 3/17/20 at 7:41 am to
Posted by Norbert
Member since Oct 2018
3495 posts
Posted on 3/17/20 at 7:41 am to
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I’ll put my money on they know a shite ton more than the average poster on here


Where have you been, baw?

WHO, CDC, NIH, President, his advisors, doctors on the front lines, a multitude of medical associations... ARE ALL FULL OF shite. This is just a cold because I want it to be a cold, and I'm better at interpreting data than those who are paid to do so.

Poliboard has turned into the Rant. RIP.
Posted by BugAC
St. George
Member since Oct 2007
55683 posts
Posted on 3/17/20 at 7:42 am to
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Millions potentially infected, potentially close to 2 million dead. The economic losses are recoverable once the FUD ends, the lives are not.



1) The mortality rate is a far cry from "millions dead" right now.
2) H1N1 was exactly what you stated. Why no shut down?
Posted by Scoob
Near Exxon
Member since Jun 2009
21963 posts
Posted on 3/17/20 at 7:43 am to
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Looks like they took the nuclear option to get him.

yep, and it still probably won't work, unless he screws this up.
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To the joy of the globalists everywhere. We elected Trump to not be controlled by the whims of the globalist cabal. All it took was the flu to destroy all headway.
So, what would you have him do- declare an emergency takeover of all media and block the internet in the US, to control what information flows in?

Because that's the ONLY way he can get away with doing nothing, while the rest of the world is quarantining.
Posted by TenWheelsForJesus
Member since Jan 2018
9372 posts
Posted on 3/17/20 at 7:43 am to
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where dead bodies stay in houses for days because no one will pick it up


Please tell me the last time this happened when coroners weren't physically prevented from reaching the location.
Posted by Argonaut
Member since Nov 2015
2059 posts
Posted on 3/17/20 at 7:48 am to
Yesterday.
Posted by NYNolaguy1
Member since May 2011
21485 posts
Posted on 3/17/20 at 7:50 am to
I realize I am probably the only one on this board actually following the numbers, but yesterdays death count (18) just about doubled from the day before (11). It is an exponential curve. When it tops 80 deaths a day will you pay attention? At the current rate that line will be crossed in a week and a half.
Posted by TenWheelsForJesus
Member since Jan 2018
9372 posts
Posted on 3/17/20 at 7:54 am to
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Millions potentially infected, potentially close to 2 million dead. The economic losses are recoverable once the FUD ends, the lives are not.


Quick, tell me the last time a pandemic killed close to 2 million Americans.

The correct answer is... *drumroll* ... NEVER.

Bonus round. When is the last time an epidemic killed 2 million people worldwide (HIV doesn't count because the death rate is over decades)?

The answer is... 1957-1958.

Now, tell me what advances in medicine and sanitation have been made in the last 60 years.

Outside of the Asian flu and Spanish flu, no pandemic has killed 2 million people since the plague over 200 years ago. But let's panic anyways. It sounds like fun.
Posted by NYNolaguy1
Member since May 2011
21485 posts
Posted on 3/17/20 at 7:55 am to
It never happening before is not a terribly compelling argument when a pandemic could happen like that.

Based on numbers and stats can you justify why you think this will be nothing?
Posted by Bunkie7672
Member since Mar 2020
673 posts
Posted on 3/17/20 at 8:09 am to
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In case you weren't aware, economic depression can kill millions, as wel


Is there any reason to think the economy won’t bounce back from this?
Posted by Scoob
Near Exxon
Member since Jun 2009
21963 posts
Posted on 3/17/20 at 8:09 am to
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There are people here and elsewhere who are clearly panicking and overreacting who definitely need to unplug and social media distance.

I'm sure there are.

In my situation, like most of us, it's just venting and aggravation.
I can't ignore the official updates, because I work in healthcare at a hospital. Just like in a hurricane, I can't unplug and go be a hermit for a week, because I might get the call to come in under emergency protocols. I can't ignore that, because I need to stay gainfully employed. And with every new step the government takes, that possibility is a bit closer.

As for unwinding- right now we should be filling out our NCAA brackets, going to crawfish boils, getting ready for Easter. Right now, that's gone, and we're all a bit irritable about it.

And as I mentioned before- it's allergy season. Cut the grass, do some yard work, hell go outside, you start coughing and snotting. My son looked at me like I was about to turn into a zombie and eat his brains the other day. Now he's junky too.
It's allergies, just like every year. We're not febrile, and allergy meds work. But you know damn well we occasionally take a temp to see if we're getting a fever, and it's in the back of everybody's mind.

Arggh. There is no quick solution to this, nothing Trump, you or I can do to speed this up. It's going to take time, and everyone is going to be a bit grumpier.
Posted by SavageOrangeJug
Member since Oct 2005
19758 posts
Posted on 3/17/20 at 8:10 am to
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Why are we doing this??


Because....Orange Man Bad.

You didn't get the memo?
Posted by Azkiger
Member since Nov 2016
25535 posts
Posted on 3/17/20 at 8:11 am to
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Lol. You’re still wrong. Sit there in your wrongness.


No u
Posted by roadGator
Member since Feb 2009
150817 posts
Posted on 3/17/20 at 8:13 am to
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but yesterdays death count (18) just about doubled from the day before (11).


I hope you don’t do anything that requires math for a living.
Posted by NYNolaguy1
Member since May 2011
21485 posts
Posted on 3/17/20 at 8:17 am to
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I hope you don’t do anything that requires math for a living.


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almost
Posted by roadGator
Member since Feb 2009
150817 posts
Posted on 3/17/20 at 8:18 am to
It’s not almost if you use percentages.

Don’t be an alarmist.

Posted by NYNolaguy1
Member since May 2011
21485 posts
Posted on 3/17/20 at 8:19 am to
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It’s not almost if you use percentages.

Don’t be an alarmist.


I am going to be serious here for a second- do you know how to use a log graph?
Posted by Bigbens42
Trussvegas
Member since Nov 2013
12525 posts
Posted on 3/17/20 at 8:21 am to
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Quick, tell me the last time a pandemic killed close to 2 million Americans.

The correct answer is... *drumroll* ... NEVER.


Correct, but a bit misleading. Take the most comparable example, Spanish flu, estimated to have killed 675000 Americans. The US population at that time was a hair over 100000000. Now compare that to our numbers today, and suddenly those upper bounds don't seem so far-fetched.

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Bonus round. When is the last time an epidemic killed 2 million people worldwide (HIV doesn't count because the death rate is over decades)?

The answer is... 1957-1958.


That's not a terribly compelling argument. In fact, a fair example of a fallacy.

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Now, tell me what advances in medicine and sanitation have been made in the last 60 years.

Outside of the Asian flu and Spanish flu, no pandemic has killed 2 million people since the plague over 200 years ago. But let's panic anyways. It sounds like fun.


The goal is to soften the blow on the system so those advances in sanitation and medicine remain in place and effective.

There is a lot of fear and uncertainty now, but I wouldn't frame it as panic. We're doing what we have to do to mitigate a bad situation. Yeah, it's going to suck in the short term, a lot, but it beats the other potential outcomes.
This post was edited on 3/17/20 at 8:22 am
Posted by Yeahright
On a big sphere out there.
Member since Sep 2018
2190 posts
Posted on 3/17/20 at 8:22 am to
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This is the “event” that people will be talking about for 20+ years.

Uh..... when/if the stock market puts us in a recession then they will be talking about this for the next 100+ years. We are headed towards unchartered territory. You will soon see certain towns in Louisiana be under quarantine. Our government can just about make us do what they want.
Posted by moneyg
Member since Jun 2006
59723 posts
Posted on 3/17/20 at 8:23 am to
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China

1.4 billion people
184,000 cases of COVID-19 = 0.00013% of population


.013% of the population, or .00013

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7,300 deaths = 0.0000052 of population


Correct, or .00052% of the population

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60 million
27,980 cases of COVID-19 = 0.00046% of population


.046% of the population...or .00046

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2,158 deaths = 0.000036% of Population


.0036% of the population...or .000036

It's important not to miss by a couple of orders of magnitude.
Posted by roadGator
Member since Feb 2009
150817 posts
Posted on 3/17/20 at 8:25 am to
Yes. But I just think with numbers so small it’s important to be exact.

Probably nitpicking but with all the manufactured hysteria I think it’s better to be exact.

11 one day
18 the next

22 dead is doubling of course

That’s 4 short of doubling. A huge difference with small numbers.

Anyway, do your thing if you want.
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