re: Why are we afraid of Democratic Socialism?

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I'm not sure why I have to answer your point when this was originally a non-sequitur to mine, but point-of-service care in the US is superb.

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So the healthcare you receive in a non socialized healthcare system is better than the healthcare you receive in a socialize healthcare system? Is that what you’re saying?

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I'm shadowing a surgeon who is among the best in the world at two procedures, and thus gets people from all over the world, most of whom pay cash, or are paid for through their insurance programs.

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So people come from socialized healthcare systems to pay cash to a doctor in America? What happens if America socializes healthcare?

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US healthcare is good, and moving to a single system instead of employing four different ones would make it better, in both an efficiency sense and cost-saving sense.

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Sooo... US healthcare is better than the healthcare received in socialized healthcare systems. But somehow moving the US system from what it is now, to a socialized Heathcare system will somehow make it even better?

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

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Do you think moving to the Bismarck model of UHC is socialism?

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That isn’t what you said, hoss.

You do realize most independent studies show a sanders style Medicare for all plan would actually cost slightly more than what our current system does, right?

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In its analysis, the Urban Institute looked at all of the potential administrative savings that drive down health spending under a plan with one government payer. However, it found that savings would be more than offset by the increase in spending if everybody were given free health coverage with no premiums, co-payments, or deductibles.

As their report put it, "The increase in spending for people with this new generous coverage would outweigh the savings from lower prices for health care providers and lower administrative costs. As a result, total national spending would increase, even taking into account greatly reduced household, employer, and state government spending."

As a result, "National health spending would increase by $7 trillion over the same 10-year period, from $52 to $59 trillion."

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Urban institute is a liberal think tank btw

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That isn’t what you said, hoss.

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Where did I advocate moving to a "socialist" system? I said that the US model employs all four healthcare systems, and moving to one single one would save costs, regardless of how that system was employed. My preference would be the Bismarck system from a provider point of view, and doing away with all public systems and the administrative overhead involved in each.

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US healthcare is good, and moving to a single system instead of employing four different ones would make it better, in both an efficiency sense and cost-saving sense.

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There is no single system in the world that can replicate the US's point-of-service efficiency.

To suggest that the U.S. could move to a bloated single system with almost unlimited barriers for entry and maintain its point-of-service efficiency is ludicrous.

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Where did I advocate moving to a "socialist" system

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Are the systems you are proposing more or less socialist than what we have now?

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My preference would be the Bismarck system from a provider point of view, and doing away with all public systems and the administrative overhead involved in each.

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And my preference is to keep the best healthcare system in the world. The one that you yourself have admitted that people come from all across the globe to receive treatment.

The one that those who have the means from the failed socialist healthcare systems come to obtain their healthcare from.

The government gets more than enough of my money right now.

If you like Marxism, then you break out your checkbook and start voluntarily sending extra money just as much and as frequently as you like. Don’t force your bullshite on the rest of us.

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You vote yourself into socialism, but you have to shoot your way out.

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That is a great line - did you get it from someone else or come up with it yourself? Either way, it is genius.

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Why do people think I'm a socialist?

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Because socialist like socialist systems.

If the shoe fits, wear it socialist.

In a world that presents one challenge after another to those of us who must live in it, how best do we find the real solutions to the problems we are faced with? Is the answer to any particular problem out there in the world somewhere or is it always at a mahogony table in Washington, D.C.?

Capitalism invites the real answer to present itself as there is a reward to be had in the form of profits. Socialism imposes it's own answer to whatever problem it addresses and that answer is rarely the solution because those who impose it aren't necessarily the ones with the correct answer. I much prefer that the REAL answer to any particular problem present itself from whatever source it legitimately comes from. Expecting those folks sitting at that table to know everything there is about solving a problem is insanity.