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re: Why are we afraid of Democratic Socialism?
Posted on 2/12/20 at 11:16 am to beerJeep
Posted on 2/12/20 at 11:16 am to beerJeep
Again, what specific advances? The US has robust public funding for biotech, and a couple of technologies, like recombinant DNA, were originally seeded with both public and private money, if I recall correctly. That's why you have to be more specific. The notion that places that have UHC can't produce advancements isn't true though.
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Posted on 2/12/20 at 11:17 am to HT713
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I'm extremely pro m4a
Scum
Posted on 2/12/20 at 11:17 am to crazy4lsu
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I don't remember the number of people who use just the base system, but I think it was less than 10%, with 7% opting out entirely, which means that 83% are paying for what they want.
That looks like 7% are paying for what they want.
Posted on 2/12/20 at 11:17 am to CptRusty
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By 'opting out'...do you mean they have the option to not pay?
I can't remember the context of this. I have an exam to study for or else I would find the citation for you.
Posted on 2/12/20 at 11:18 am to beerJeep
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Homeboy won’t even admit that profit is what drives innovation in the medical field. I wonder why that is.
You are really fond of putting words in my mouth for some reason.
Posted on 2/12/20 at 11:18 am to crazy4lsu
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Estimates of moving to a single model generally involve around a 10% increase in usage rates. That is the assumption underlying a couple of papers I read. That was the assumption of the Blahous paper on M4A too.
Did any of them detail how they arrived at a 10% increase?
Posted on 2/12/20 at 11:19 am to DMAN1968
It would make better sense for the government to better allocate some of the hundreds of billions of dollars it wastes every year. Domestic healthcare investment is better than foreign aid and foreign military funding.
Posted on 2/12/20 at 11:19 am to crazy4lsu
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I can't remember the context of this.
the context?
I'm simply asking what you meant by what you wrote
And btw, there isn't some gotcha waiting behind the answer, I just wanted to clarify what options were available in the system you were describing.
Posted on 2/12/20 at 11:21 am to Damone
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It would make better sense for the government to better allocate some of the hundreds of billions of dollars it wastes every year. Domestic healthcare investment is better than foreign aid and foreign military funding.
Nah. I'd rather cut funding to both and slash taxes in return.
Posted on 2/12/20 at 11:21 am to crazy4lsu
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Again, what specific advances? The US has robust public funding for biotech, and a couple of technologies, like recombinant DNA, were originally seeded with both public and private money, if I recall correctly. That's why you have to be more specific. The notion that places that have UHC can't produce advancements isn't true though.
What specific advances? Too many to count. Why pick 1 from thousands?
I didn’t say they can’t produce advancements. I said they produce FAR less and at a far slower pace.
Also, when you have the powerhouse of America doing all the leg work, it allows small countries to hyper focus on one tiny field.
So while we are busy inventing new drugs and processes on a mass scale, it allows countries such as France to hyper focus on one aspect and come up with a new process.
A dead clock is right twice a day. The sun shines on a dogs arse once in a while. A blind squirrel will eventually find his nut.
Etc. etc. etc.
But to act like these countries are even on the same playing field as the US in terms of medical advancement is a farce and you know it.
Posted on 2/12/20 at 11:23 am to Taxing Authority
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Nothing attracts capital like the prohibition of profit. Do you have any idea they type of capital it takes to start an insurance company? Any at all?
Kaiser is non-profit and is an incredible organization. BCBS was non-profit for a long time, until 1994, and some federations of BCBS are still non-profit. There are still lots of non-profit health organizations in the US, so it isn't out of the ordinary. I'd suggest that most insurance companies aren't interested in innovation either. Asking biotech companies to be nonprofit is another thing entirely, and the Germans to my knowledge don't require that.
Posted on 2/12/20 at 11:24 am to HT713
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I went to a really good public school in houston and grew up down the street from a great public library. it's bad in some places but not everywhere
Again, there is a difference between organizations funded at the local/community level, and having the national government take your money to give to some jackass on the other side of the country.
Posted on 2/12/20 at 11:25 am to CptRusty
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And btw, there isn't some gotcha waiting behind the answer, I just wanted to clarify what options were available in the system you were describing.
As in, I remember the 7% number, but I don't remember what they chose in place of the insurance, hence why I said context. I either read it in The Healing of America by TR Reid or one of the Commonwealth Reports.
Posted on 2/12/20 at 11:25 am to CptRusty
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Would you consider a plan under which a minimum profit was guaranteed? Or put another way- under which risk was capped?
yeah I think so. the numbers would have to be ironed out, but that's not unreasonable.
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If there isn't a profit motive, then there will be no appetite for risk.
yeah I mean you can recognize this and still be in favor of legislating out pure, unfiltered greed. at least in my opinion
If money was the only motivator for anything, we wouldn't have federal anti-trust laws
Posted on 2/12/20 at 11:26 am to Choctaw
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"There is no difference between communism and socialism, except in the means of achieving the same ultimate end: communism proposes to enslave men by force, socialism - by vote. It is merely the difference between murder and suicide."
Ayn Rand
Posted on 2/12/20 at 11:26 am to beerJeep
don't get emotional, I don't want to argue or change your mind. just looking to get some outside perspective
I enjoy the free exchange of ideas, we're on a message board not standing in front of congress
I enjoy the free exchange of ideas, we're on a message board not standing in front of congress
Posted on 2/12/20 at 11:27 am to Centinel
The government is never doing away with taxes so the only feasible way of improving the system is directing money inward.
Posted on 2/12/20 at 11:28 am to HT713
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don't get emotional, I don't want to argue or change your mind. just looking to get some outside perspective
Nothing emotional about it
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enjoy the free exchange of ideas, we're on a message board not standing in front of congress
Hopefully being here will open your eyes to why m4a and other socialist ideals are straight up garbage.
There might be hope for you yet!
Posted on 2/12/20 at 11:28 am to DimTigerDontHate
Would you like to live in Russia or any other socialist country?
Posted on 2/12/20 at 11:28 am to DimTigerDontHate
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We already live in a socialist society in many respects, and it has only worked towards the betterment of society.
My friend you have gotten a hold of either good drugs or successful indoctrination. Public schools are horrible. Medicare, Social Security and Welfare are not only horrible, but misused by the billions. Over regulated health insurance and Obamacare has almost ruined American healthcare.
Literally everything socialized is a shite show. Why can’t you people see this?! I want you to compare the demographics of the “successful” socialistic countries to ours. And then look at how much money America gives to those “successful” socialistic countries. Then look at the GDP’s in comparison.
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