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re: Why are we afraid of Democratic Socialism?
Posted on 2/12/20 at 11:29 am to DimTigerDontHate
Posted on 2/12/20 at 11:29 am to DimTigerDontHate
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We already live in a socialist society in many respects, and it has only worked towards the betterment of society.
We have too many people that CHOOSE to only take.
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Posted on 2/12/20 at 11:30 am to Meatflap
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The military? We love funding the shite out of that.
How does the military directly service the American citizen as stated in my post.
And what is the leftist gripe about military budgets again?
Posted on 2/12/20 at 11:30 am to Centinel
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Did any of them detail how they arrived at a 10% increase?
I believe they did, but I don't remember exactly. The Blahous paper, at footnote 18, provides a detailed list of papers that went over the increased demand cost projections.
Posted on 2/12/20 at 11:31 am to Damone
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The government is never doing away with taxes so the only feasible way of improving the system is directing money inward.
And the government is never going to do away with foreign aid.
So while we're talking about things that won't happen, I'll stick with the "cut it all and cut taxes" plan.
Posted on 2/12/20 at 11:31 am to beerJeep
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What specific advances? Too many to count. Why pick 1 from thousands?
Because there are many advances in the US that are seeded from public research funds.
Posted on 2/12/20 at 11:32 am to crazy4lsu
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The Blahous paper, at footnote 18, provides a detailed list of papers that went over the increased demand cost projections.
Thanks for the info. I'll have to take a look if I have time...just seems on the low side for such an expansion of healthcare availability.
Posted on 2/12/20 at 11:33 am to crazy4lsu
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Because there are many advances in the US that are seeded from public research funds.
Posted on 2/12/20 at 11:33 am to HT713
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yeah I think so. the numbers would have to be ironed out, but that's not unreasonable.
Awesome. Let me know when this happens, and I'll be setting up a few dozen drug companies to sit back and let my taxpayer funded minimum profit roll in.
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you can recognize this and still be in favor of legislating out pure, unfiltered greed.
Who defines "greed"? Is it defined as a hard number? A margin %?
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If money was the only motivator for anything, we wouldn't have federal anti-trust laws
I never said money was the "only" motivator. I said incentive drives behavior. If you want people to do something, then they must have some incentive to do so...In the USSR, not-getting-thrown-into-the-gulag was a common incentive, for example.
Posted on 2/12/20 at 11:34 am to DimTigerDontHate
So you don't value your personal freedom. Good to know.
Posted on 2/12/20 at 11:34 am to CptRusty
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In the USSR, not-getting-thrown-into-the-gulag was a common incentive, for example.
That and “not be disappeared” are quite effective means of persuading people to act in the manner of your choosing.
Posted on 2/12/20 at 11:35 am to CptRusty
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Who defines "greed"?
the people, by way of democracy. same way we define everything
Posted on 2/12/20 at 11:38 am to HT713
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the people, by way of democracy. same way we define everything
We most certainly do not collectively define everything via popular consensus.
Posted on 2/12/20 at 11:38 am to xiv
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“But them!”
This is such a weak response, even for somebody like you, xiv.
Posted on 2/12/20 at 11:39 am to HT713
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the people, by way of democracy. same way we define everything
How would YOU define it?
Posted on 2/12/20 at 11:39 am to CptRusty
I sure would like it if we did
Posted on 2/12/20 at 11:39 am to Centinel
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Thanks for the info. I'll have to take a look if I have time...just seems on the low side for such an expansion of healthcare availability.
I can provide the paper links after this next exam, on Monday, if I can remember.
There are a couple of actuarial papers from 2004 that are of interest too, and if I recall, many studies base their projections off these studies. The key aspect of any M4A paper is the rate of utilization, which is right now at 2%, but Blahous estimates to be 13% if the bill is enacted. The cost projections Blahous himself calculates are based on the utilization percentage which is one of the more opaque parts of his paper, and one that I frankly don't believe. That is an 11% increase in demand or utilization rates, but beggars belief.
Posted on 2/12/20 at 11:41 am to HT713
In that case you haven't thought it through. Mob rule is not something you want to live with.
Posted on 2/12/20 at 11:46 am to volod
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It's easier to be efficient when you can be selective in who you hire and how much your willing to distribute. Government has the task of trying to treating everyone equally. And distributing resources to places that are less than profitable for a business (like low income neighborhoods). People like you always leave out that private companies can always cut corners or outright not offer services to certain areas.
The government is selective in who it hires. There is a website for federal jobs, you have to apply, you have to submit a resume, you disclose military service and education levels, and they choose who they hire.
And selective in how much you are willing to distribute eh? Ever been to a nursing home that is funded primarily by residents on Medicare/Medicaid? Then one that’s not? Is social security not selective on disability applicants? Medicaid on recipients? Does everyone get a pell grant? VA loan? Just for starters?
And private companies can always cut corners? Not provide service? Ok. Tell me why the VA health system is so rock solid on these principles and a private health system fails. Are private health systems turning people away at the emergency room door? Public schools are churning out people who can barely read. Any corners cut there? Private schools are head and shoulders better than public. What corners are they cutting?
You make these arguments and then listen to how much money is saved by government control. How do you equate the two? How do you balance those numbers?
And still waiting on the name of that single govt agency as outlined in my original post.
This post was edited on 2/12/20 at 11:48 am
Posted on 2/12/20 at 11:55 am to beerJeep
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How would YOU define it?
anything north of 5billion in personal net worth, to me, is basically immoral. to have bezos worth 130b basically makes him an oligarch in my mind. for us to give a single person that much political power, we might as well call him King George
I know everyone here will probably start DM'ing the admins for my IP address over that comment, but it's my .02
Posted on 2/12/20 at 11:59 am to HT713
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anything north of 5billion in personal net worth, to me, is basically immoral.
Wow. Why? Your life will be a frick ton happier if you don’t worry about what other people have.....
Jealousy is never a good look. Stop worry about what others have and focus on what YOU have. Delete whatever social media you have and focus on your immediate life and surroundings. You’ll be far happier. And who knows, maybe you’ll stop envying others and realize you live an amazing life.
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