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re: Why are "they" so obsessed with mentions of 'FLAT EARTH'? Just a silly "CT", right?
Posted on 5/26/22 at 2:29 pm to BoarEd
Posted on 5/26/22 at 2:29 pm to BoarEd
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don't care. This thread is stupid.
I've done land surveying work where we regularly had to account for curvature of the Earth in order to make the calculations work. Ask any professional land surveyor (who's fricking job it is to map the Earth) what they think about this theory and they will laugh in your face.
Are people really honestly believing the Earth is flat? I'm not reading this thread.
Is this seriously a question? I thought this was some massive troll job.
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Posted on 5/26/22 at 2:31 pm to i am dan
Yes. A couple of these guys believe it. 
Posted on 5/26/22 at 2:31 pm to Gideon Swashbuckler
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At what point does light dissipate through water completely? Idk. All I know is that at a certain depth, there is no more light. Does light dissipate through the atmosphere? Yes. At what distance? Again, I don't know.
If Polaris was so small and so close to the earth as you claim..
Then why is the difference in brightness negligible between northern Canada and Central America ? Since Northern Canada is so close to it and cental America is so far away?
Being that light dissipates so rapidly in the atmosphere??
Posted on 5/26/22 at 2:35 pm to BoarEd
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Yes. A couple of these guys believe it.
Oh lord.. I don't even know what to say to that..
Posted on 5/26/22 at 2:38 pm to Gideon Swashbuckler
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If Polaris does dim between Ontario and, say, NYC Idk if that's a far enough distance to measure at what distance you stop seeing it clearly much like the water example.
What I meant to say was that I didn't know if there was a measurable difference in brightness in Polaris between points in North America.
Sooooooo it should be much brighter in the far reaches of the northern hemisphere than the southern part of the northern hemisphere?? In order to be seen by all the northern hemisphere??
Using your “water example”.
Or is it not much brighter at that distance.
Which is it? This is plainly observable stuff.
Is there a vast difference.. explaining the “line of sight, dust, humidity, distance, etc.” theory as to why stars are not visible between hemispheres..
Or are they not measurably different which destroys the argument?
Which is it?
This post was edited on 5/26/22 at 2:39 pm
Posted on 5/26/22 at 2:43 pm to Liberator
How do you explain people
Traveling from LA to Japan or Australia across Atlantic if the world isn’t round?
Do you think they secretly go all the way around SA and Africa but much much much faster than they can travel anywhere else on earth?
Traveling from LA to Japan or Australia across Atlantic if the world isn’t round?
Do you think they secretly go all the way around SA and Africa but much much much faster than they can travel anywhere else on earth?
This post was edited on 5/26/22 at 2:50 pm
Posted on 5/26/22 at 2:45 pm to CleverUserName
Full disclosure for the thread. There is one "model" that would, if correct, suggest these flat earthers may be correct, but they don't ever talk about it and even if true doesn't make any difference to our daily lives. It could be technically true that the Earth is flat if we live in a holographic simulation. And we might.
If our entire known universe existed on the inside wall of a super massive black hole, we could see a situation where our reality is a 3D holographic projection of a 2D plane.
It would explain some things really, but like I said, they never suggest this. Instead they seem to subscribe to some Earth-centric bullshite where everything in the cosmos was made for flatlanders living on Earth.
Really it seems like nobody wants to consider simulation theory.
If our entire known universe existed on the inside wall of a super massive black hole, we could see a situation where our reality is a 3D holographic projection of a 2D plane.
It would explain some things really, but like I said, they never suggest this. Instead they seem to subscribe to some Earth-centric bullshite where everything in the cosmos was made for flatlanders living on Earth.
Really it seems like nobody wants to consider simulation theory.
This post was edited on 5/26/22 at 2:47 pm
Posted on 5/26/22 at 2:46 pm to BoarEd
But the water in my cup is flat!
According to liberator star forts aren’t shaped like stars!
According to liberator star forts aren’t shaped like stars!
This post was edited on 5/26/22 at 2:47 pm
Posted on 5/26/22 at 2:47 pm to i am dan
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thought this was some massive troll job.
Has to be. Otherwise there is a wall around the earth keeping the water from falling off the planet into space.
Posted on 5/26/22 at 2:48 pm to CleverUserName
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Being that light dissipates so rapidly in the atmosphere??
Idk at what rate Light dissipates through the atmosphere. Maybe it dissipates exponentially. I have no idea. I've never espoused to be a flat earther. Again, I'm agnostic at best. I've said that.
You're so focused on one caveat of the broader picture.
Idk about the composition of our universe, and neither does anyone else. It doesn't matter to me if the Earth is flat, pear shaped, or bulged at the equator in the grand scheme of things. I have questions about things. I try, when possible, to trust my senses and my own observations. I admit that I haven't studied Polaris as much as you want me to have, and for that I sincerely apologize. I said in the beginning that I wasn't a physicist, and unfortunately our double major in physics and English left the chat.
There are questions that the answers are unknowable. People accept much of what is told them by faith, because they have no desire to question authority.
I'm not like that. I never claimed to be right. In fact I asked to have things explained to me by seemingly intellectuals on this forum.
Posted on 5/26/22 at 2:51 pm to CleverUserName
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Or are they not measurably different which destroys the argument?
Which is it?
Have you ever been to Ontario or some other place in the Northern Hemisphere and then to Ecuador and looked at Polaris??
Are you suggesting that if I were to stand on the equator I could see Polaris and then moved a foot south I couldn't?
Have you performed this experiment yourself??
This post was edited on 5/26/22 at 2:52 pm
Posted on 5/26/22 at 2:53 pm to Gideon Swashbuckler
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I've never espoused to be a flat earther. Again, I'm agnostic at best.
How are you agnostic on a clear white or black issue?
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There are questions that the answers are unknowable. People accept much of what is told them by faith, because they have no desire to question authority.
I get questioning things. But stating the earth is flat is just uneducated or willfully ignorant. I'm not saying YOU think this, but for the flat earthers, where does Earth end? How come we haven't found the "end" of flat Earth yet? Or is it a conspiracy?
Posted on 5/26/22 at 2:53 pm to Gideon Swashbuckler
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Asked and fricking answered.
Light dissipates through the atmosphere. Eye sight is limited. Telescopes are limited.
You believe that the only reason we stop seeing shite is because it bends around the curvature of the earth???
So we can see Jupiter through a telescope, but not things significantly closer on a flat plane.
Posted on 5/26/22 at 2:54 pm to Gideon Swashbuckler
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Have you ever been to Ontario or some other place in the Northern Hemisphere and then to Ecuador and looked at Polaris??
Are you suggesting that if I were to stand on the equator I could see Polaris and then moved a foot south I couldn't?
Have you performed this experiment yourself??
Maybe i'm not privy to the entire conversation, but rather than try to explain Polaris, how does one explain the sun shining right now in America, but not in Afghanistan?
Posted on 5/26/22 at 2:56 pm to CleverUserName
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Then why is the difference in brightness negligible between northern Canada and Central America ?
My first guess, since I've never been to either place, would be that Polaris is easier to see in Northern Canada than it is in Central America.
Posted on 5/26/22 at 2:56 pm to Gideon Swashbuckler
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Light dissipates through the atmosphere. Eye sight is limited. Telescopes are limited. You believe that the only reason we stop seeing shite is because it bends around the curvature of the earth???
The moon is a whole lot further away than England is from the east coast of the US.
I can’t stand on the beach of the east coast and use my telescope to see England, yet that telescope can look straight at the moon and see it.
Posted on 5/26/22 at 2:57 pm to Gideon Swashbuckler
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Idk at what rate Light dissipates through the atmosphere. Maybe it dissipates exponentially. I have no idea. I've never espoused to be a flat earther. Again, I'm agnostic at best. I've said that.
My last post lays it out. You say that there are so many other things.. but this shows you in real time.
On one hand you have a totally bright star and it dims as you head south.
On the other it’s the same throughout and the belief is debunked.
Choose 1 or 2.
Posted on 5/26/22 at 2:57 pm to BugAC
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Maybe i'm not privy to the entire conversation, but rather than try to explain Polaris, how does one explain the sun shining right now in America, but not in Afghanistan?
In the FE model, the sun is much smaller and much closer to the surface of the Earth than in the globe model. Therefore it is night in Afghanistan when it is day in the USA.
Posted on 5/26/22 at 2:58 pm to Gideon Swashbuckler
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My first guess, since I've never been to either place, would be that Polaris is easier to see in Northern Canada than it is in Central America.
It is not. And it’s easily observable. Only the location in the sky is different.
This post was edited on 5/26/22 at 2:59 pm
Posted on 5/26/22 at 3:00 pm to Gideon Swashbuckler
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In the FE model, the sun is much smaller and much closer to the surface of the Earth than in the globe model. Therefore it is night in Afghanistan when it is day in the USA.
So the sun simply moves horizontally? What about the rest of the universe? Does it also sway back and forth? You recognize none of that makes any sense scientifically right?
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