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Posted on 10/1/26 at 2:02 pm to Jjdoc
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Massie and Ron are libertarian not conservatives. The party believes in open borders ...etc...
DeSantis is far far from an open borders proponent.
Why do you make shite up?
Posted on 10/1/26 at 2:03 pm to 14&Counting
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DeSantis is far far from an open borders proponent. Why do you make shite up?
I mean you’re not wrong he did close down his own beaches
Posted on 10/1/26 at 2:04 pm to Loup
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trump/magats are conservative in name only. rnc is just a less gay wing of the democratic party
You can't get stupider!
Posted on 10/1/26 at 2:04 pm to GreatLakesTiger24
Oof
Posted on 10/1/26 at 2:07 pm to DeBoar
No
This post was edited on 10/1/26 at 2:08 pm
Posted on 10/1/26 at 2:08 pm to 3down10
Again. I asked you to list the names of the admins in American History that were conservative to you.
Not 1 man. All the admins you would consider conservative.
Has there never been one?? Just Reagan?
Not 1 man. All the admins you would consider conservative.
Has there never been one?? Just Reagan?
Posted on 10/1/26 at 2:10 pm to rbm1
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Wake up! Have you read Trumps official agenda? 2025 Project!
I'd rather judge him on his actions in office than words
Posted on 10/1/26 at 2:12 pm to UtahCajun
These threads are my favorite. We've already seen the 2 most common pivots
1. Trump never claimed to be conservative
2. Closed borders mean more than everything and they're conservative (even though they were a policy plank of Bill Clinton)
1. Trump never claimed to be conservative
2. Closed borders mean more than everything and they're conservative (even though they were a policy plank of Bill Clinton)
Posted on 10/1/26 at 2:12 pm to DeBoar
Because MAGA is insanely ineffective and self-defeating.
Posted on 10/1/26 at 2:13 pm to GoblinGuide
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Where do conservatives and libertarians disagree most in your opinion? Is it more on the cultural front or the economic one?
Kinda both, tbh. Libertarians staunchly oppose the welfare state, but a lot of conservatives support the welfare state (albeit, they want to reform it to “save” it).
Libertarians are split on immigration with some very vocal libertarians supporting open borders while others are staunchly against illegal immigration. The GOP is similarly split between neo-conservatives who want open borders for cheap labor and nationalists who want closed borders to preserve American culture.
Tariffs are one area where most libertarians and nei-cons are strictly opposed, but nationalists are staunchly for.
Libertarians tend to clash with both Neo-cons and nationalists on social issues such as gay marriage, lgbtq rights, drug legalization, assisted suicide, prostitution, gambling, public alcohol consumption, occupational licensing, etc. Libertarians tend to be split on abortion, where Nationalists and neo-cons tend to be staunchly pro-life.
Nationalists and libertarians tend to align against neo-cons on interventionism abroad (something that Trump has certainly brought into controversy between himself and his base), foreign alliances, domestic spying, and support for ngo’s/cultural institutions.
Libertarians also tend to favor the FAIR Tax (national tax on consumption) while neo-cons mostly support the status quo. Nationalists oppose the income tax, but seek to replace it with tariffs and other taxed rather than a national sales tax.
This post was edited on 10/1/26 at 2:17 pm
Posted on 10/1/26 at 2:14 pm to SlowFlowPro
Can you find a link of Trump saying explicitly he’s more conservative than anyone else? Also what’s your problem against closed borders and free trade? Weren’t those two of trumps campaign promises?
Posted on 10/1/26 at 2:14 pm to rbm1
quote:if only that were a reality…
2025 Project!
Posted on 10/1/26 at 2:14 pm to rbm1
“Muh he’s not a conservative” but the non conservatives hate him to the point of trying to kill him. More leftist logic which equates to wish casting idiocy.
This post was edited on 10/1/26 at 2:15 pm
Posted on 10/1/26 at 2:16 pm to DeBoar
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Can you find a link of Trump saying explicitly he’s more conservative than anyone else?
Bro I agree Trump isn't very conservative.
Go back to my original response to your OP. 2 involve pure leftism from Trump/MAGA
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1. MAGA's Deficit spending
2. MAGA's Leftist economics
Again, this is the thread title:
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Why are the conservative libertarians fighting maga so hard?
The answer: Leftist bullshite (see above)
Posted on 10/1/26 at 2:17 pm to Madking
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“Muh he’s not a conservative” but the non conservatives hate him to the point of trying to kill him
JJ-level post
Posted on 10/1/26 at 2:17 pm to DeBoar
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Also what’s your problem against closed borders and free trade?
Would you really describe Trump as free trade? He is more protectionist and mercantilist……which is fine except this tariff business seems to have backfired
Posted on 10/1/26 at 2:18 pm to SlowFlowPro
Nothing you say has a shred of validity.
Posted on 10/1/26 at 2:18 pm to Madking
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Nothing you say has a shred of validity.
Madking-level post
Posted on 10/1/26 at 2:19 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Madking-level post
AKA - factual post
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