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re: Who should run schools? Federal government, state government or local government?
Posted on 9/29/23 at 12:36 pm to 4cubbies
Posted on 9/29/23 at 12:36 pm to 4cubbies
There should be no school outside of the home. Parents should start taking full responsibility for their kids education and not sending them to be wards of the state for 7-8 hours or more per day
This post was edited on 9/29/23 at 12:47 pm
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Posted on 9/29/23 at 1:16 pm to 4cubbies
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Public schools have basically been a dumping ground for American social problems for the last 75 years.
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I agree. Why do you think that is?
Because it is convenient and cheap. A good example is the last HS I worked at had a few self contained classrooms depending on student functioning levels. The lowest level had about 9 students aging between 14-20 (you age out of the school system at 21 in Florida). Of those 9 only one was verbal, only three were potty trained, and one required to be fed through his stomach. 7 of them had a one on one para-pro with them all day. While those requirements really jack up a school budget, it immensely cheaper than trained medical staff. Still people shouldn’t be wards of the school district until age 21 and there should be an institution better suited for these individuals than a public school.
Posted on 9/29/23 at 1:23 pm to Bonpensiero
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There should be no school outside of the home. Parents should start taking full responsibility for their kids education and not sending them to be wards of the state for 7-8 hours or more per day
I would envision a situation where parents either hire someone to come into the home or they bring their children to a place where they learn math (whatever subject)for 1 hour twice a week. The same way sports, performing arts (dance, theater, music), and other activities are designed now.
Posted on 9/29/23 at 2:01 pm to NC_Tigah
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Now that is 100% false
? Competition in public education doesn’t improve anything, outside of the bank accounts of the people running the show.
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Can you imagine being the parent of a bright child in one of the 13 failing Baltimore school districts?
Yeah, I can imagine that. The students are failing because their parents are failing them. Teachers can’t force kids to pay attention in class or complete assignments. If education isn’t valued at home, it won’t be valued at school either. The fact that 40% of students did scored proficient demonstrates that teaching and learning is happening at the schools.
Posted on 9/29/23 at 2:04 pm to 4cubbies
It needs to be local. Anything above that it gets wasteful spending, inefficient and unions get more power.
Dept of Ed needs to be taken out, that money go back to the local school districts where it will be better spent and it can be spent without the feds telling you what you have to do in order to get this money.
You lose freedoms when power is centralized. let the local school boards and parents guide the schools.
Dept of Ed needs to be taken out, that money go back to the local school districts where it will be better spent and it can be spent without the feds telling you what you have to do in order to get this money.
You lose freedoms when power is centralized. let the local school boards and parents guide the schools.
Posted on 9/29/23 at 2:06 pm to jp4lsu
DOE needs to be gone.
Teacher's Unions need to be gone.
Teacher's Unions need to be gone.
Posted on 9/29/23 at 5:16 pm to 4cubbies
quote:Cubbies, come on! Look at the US collegiate model and reconsider. Please.
? Competition in public education doesn’t improve anything,
Posted on 9/29/23 at 5:25 pm to 4cubbies
A simple look at how far us schools have fallen since the federal govt got involved w education is your answer
Posted on 9/29/23 at 6:13 pm to 4cubbies
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The students are failing because their parents are failing them.
This is what every public school teacher whines.
If your performance is totally based on the family, your job is useless and you should quit your job in embarrassment.
Posted on 9/29/23 at 6:28 pm to choupiquesushi
As soon as I saw 4cubbies, I knew had gone to shite by the end of the first page.
States have always had the responsibility to design their primary educations to their purposes. However, teaching socialism in schools is long standing bullshite, even before the DoE, which teaches not a SINGLE student, was created.
The socialist movement became much more active in the early 1900s. Eugene V. Debs and other associated socialist assholes pushed our educational system in the direction of creating "good citizens" instead of teaching them how to read, write, and reason. Women were primarily the teachers, obviously, and sucked this shite up like a sponge in the middle of the Suffragette movement.
Here's a quote from a socialist outlet decrying how their efforts to instill their screwed up pedagogy in public schools was initially thwarted:
Let drip the irony of the NYT decrying the propagation of class hatred sink in.
States have always had the responsibility to design their primary educations to their purposes. However, teaching socialism in schools is long standing bullshite, even before the DoE, which teaches not a SINGLE student, was created.
The socialist movement became much more active in the early 1900s. Eugene V. Debs and other associated socialist assholes pushed our educational system in the direction of creating "good citizens" instead of teaching them how to read, write, and reason. Women were primarily the teachers, obviously, and sucked this shite up like a sponge in the middle of the Suffragette movement.
Here's a quote from a socialist outlet decrying how their efforts to instill their screwed up pedagogy in public schools was initially thwarted:
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In Chicago, for example, teachers "met every Saturday afternoon in 1908 at the home of Mary Livingston, the school’s superintendent, to ’go over the outline for the next day’s lesson, try over the songs together, play the little games, and rehearse the story that is to be told.’"
The schools, like Marx and socialism itself, were attacked. In 1908 the New York Times charged the Borough Park school in New York with "propagating class hatred." In 1919 building owners in New York City were pressured by police and city officials to deny rental space.
Let drip the irony of the NYT decrying the propagation of class hatred sink in.
Posted on 9/29/23 at 6:28 pm to 4cubbies
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I’ve never heard of a public school calling for the abolition of private property.
The very existence of a public school is the abolition of private property.
Posted on 9/29/23 at 7:03 pm to TigerAllNightLong
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The very existence of a public school is the abolition of private property.
Does the "school" call for it? No. Does that fact that you have to pay property taxes in perpetuity to fund schools, or you forfeit your owned property? It could be argued, yes.
Be precise (as one can be on Friday night) so as to avoid giving 4Cubbies an easy route to shite on your point.
Posted on 9/29/23 at 7:20 pm to 4cubbies
Local
Posted on 9/29/23 at 7:33 pm to the808bass
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If your performance is totally based on the family,
The teachers’ performances aren’t based on the family, the students’ performances are.
I anticipate you will use this comment to say “then why do we even have teachers?!” It’s just not even worth explaining that to an actual adult. If you think teachers are the enemy, it has been noted.
This post was edited on 9/29/23 at 7:36 pm
Posted on 9/29/23 at 7:37 pm to TigerAllNightLong
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The very existence of a public school is the abolition of private property
Tell me more about this. I’m having a hard time connecting the dots.
Posted on 9/29/23 at 7:39 pm to LemmyLives
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Be precise (as one can be on Friday night) so as to avoid giving 4Cubbies an easy route to shite on your point.
When the government takes ownership of something that could be privately owned then the government has in fact abolished private ownership. Private vs public ownership is mutually exclusive.
Posted on 9/29/23 at 7:40 pm to NC_Tigah
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ubbies, come on! Look at the US collegiate model and reconsider
It never occurred to me that someone might lump higher education in with this discussion. Higher education isn’t compulsory so I honestly don’t think it’s relevant to this conversation.
Posted on 9/29/23 at 7:41 pm to 4cubbies
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Who should run schools? Federal government, state government or local government?
No
Posted on 9/29/23 at 7:42 pm to TigerAllNightLong
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then the government has in fact abolished private ownership.
So a parcel of land exists. A public school is built on that parcel of land. On the next block over, a private school exists on a different parcel of land. And this is communism?
This post was edited on 9/29/23 at 7:43 pm
Posted on 9/30/23 at 2:20 pm to imjustafatkid
Federal Dept of Education came into existence in 1980. Down hill since.
Go back to local control.
Read this book written by Charlotte Iserbyt.
The Deliberate Dumbing Down of America — A Chronological Paper Trail”, will change forever the way you look at your child’s education. Written by whistleblower Charlotte T. Iserbyt, it is the result of what she discovered while working in the US Department of Education and her subsequent research on the subject. First published in 1999, the original edition of the book contains 743 pages replete with documentation of the policies, conversations and events that led up to the way our educational system is run today.
LINK
Go back to local control.
Read this book written by Charlotte Iserbyt.
The Deliberate Dumbing Down of America — A Chronological Paper Trail”, will change forever the way you look at your child’s education. Written by whistleblower Charlotte T. Iserbyt, it is the result of what she discovered while working in the US Department of Education and her subsequent research on the subject. First published in 1999, the original edition of the book contains 743 pages replete with documentation of the policies, conversations and events that led up to the way our educational system is run today.
LINK
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